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On Thu, 2005-06-16 at 12:55 -0500, kashani wrote: |
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> I'm an admin and have only worked in ISP, NSP, hosting, and startup |
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> gigs. These systems tend to be fast moving, customer and feature driven, |
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> and a bit on the bleeding edge. I don't believe any of those |
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> environments fall into what is normally considered "enterprise", but |
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> they are production systems with a premium on flexibility over stability |
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> much like a Linux distribution we all know and love. :) |
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Production != Enterprise |
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I know what you mean, though. However, you are definitely not the |
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target for any of Gentoo's "Enterprise" efforts, as they are, by design, |
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much slower moving and much less flexible. |
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> posting on the forums over a QA department of just me. So rather than |
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> see Gentoo think about doing or not doing enterprise type stuff like |
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> long releases, support contracts, etc I think most of us LAMP, MRTG, |
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> Nagios, BIND, Postfix, Qmail, Postgres, thttpd, Courier, etc geeks would |
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> like "just a bit more stability" rather than the overhead that comes |
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> with enterprise features. |
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Honestly, the more bleeding edge it is, the less quality that is going |
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to be associated with it, simply due to new features and other such |
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things that will not have gotten as much testing/bug-fixing as the more |
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stable features. Unless we have our own audit team specifically looking |
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for bugs and fixing them *before they are reported* then there isn't |
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much we can do to resolve this situation. |
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> To be honest /etc/portage/* tends be enough control for me, but I've |
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> been doing admin work for 9 years. And I've got a test environment that |
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> I use religiously. I do however answer a lot of questions in the Network |
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> and Security forum where up and coming admins aren't so lucky. I don't |
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> think any of us expect a foolproof system, but there is room for a bit |
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> more stability that'll benefit all users... especially admins. :) |
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That is one of the problems we have here at Gentoo. We provide ways of |
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doing things that you want to do. Sometimes the methods are very |
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simple, other times, we expect you to know what you're doing. The real |
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problem we have is how to balance between the "do everything for the |
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user" approach of some distributions and the "don't do a damn thing and |
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then let the user RTFM" approach that is a bit more common with Gentoo. |
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Personally, I think we simply need to make sure things get documented |
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well and leave it up to the community to provide the "support", as it |
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were. This has worked quite well for Gentoo, and tends to tighten the |
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bond between users and developers. |
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Chris Gianelloni |
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Release Engineering - Strategic Lead/QA Manager |
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Games - Developer |
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Gentoo Linux |