Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Item for 10 Jan 2008 Council meeting

[Ferris McCormick]

On Wed, 2008-01-09 at 11:51 -0800, Chris Gianelloni wrote:
> On Wed, 2008-01-09 at 14:00 +0000, Ferris McCormick wrote:
> > they get to devrel because you ensured there would be no one to catch
> > them --- you are the one who wanted to kill off the proctors, after
> > all.
>
> ...and the finger-pointing starts... Bravo!
>
> I never have been able to figure out what the hell I did to you to make
> you feel like you need to personally attack me every step of the way,
> but I'm not putting up with it, anymore.
>
> I'm adding Developer Relations to this email and will be filing a formal
> complaint against you.  Have a good day.
>

To the extent you see this as a personal attack, I apologize.  I never
intended it as such.  I was only recalling your email from 5 June which
reads:
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On Tue, 2007-06-05 at 21:52 +0100, Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
> On Tue, 05 Jun 2007 21:44:23 +0100
> Roy Bamford <neddyseagoon@g.o> wrote:
> > For that reason alone, it should normally be avoided in international
> > forums such as are provided by Gentoo.
>
> Why yes! Gentoo needs to be one hundred percent serious and entirely
> not fun. Anyone saying anything remotely amusing needs to be shut down
> by the proctors immediately. Please keep up the good work.

I really have to agree with you.  The proctors have completely lost
their way.  They are ineffective.  They tend to compound the problems
they were created to stop.  They are slow.  They have not prevented
anything, which was the reason for their creation.  Rather, what they
*have* done is stifle conversation, piss off people, get in the way of
Developer Relations reports, and otherwise making developers feel like
they don't want to participate in our official discussion channels.

What do I think needs to be done?

The proctors project needs to go away.  It simply wasn't implemented in
the way the Council had hoped and has proven to be more harmful than the
original problems to morale and inter-developer trust.  While the
individual members might be doing what they think is best and trying
their best, they've failed at the goals of improving our communications
channels.

-- 
Chris Gianelloni
Release Engineering Strategic Lead
Alpha/AMD64/x86 Architecture Teams
Games Developer/Council Member/Foundation Trustee
Gentoo Foundation
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From this I inferred you were the one who wanted to kill off the proctors.  I
am not attacking you:  I am saying there is no way to catch CoC violations
because the mechanism for that was the proctors, we don't have any proctors,
and it seems to me ("The proctors project needs to go away") that you were
instrumental in that.  If any of this is incorrect, I'll retract it, but I am
trying to be factually correct and what I have is the above email.

As for filing a devrel complaint, do so if you must.  But as you know, policy
strongly suggests you should talk to me first so we can figure out where the
miscommunication is.  We also might discuss why you chose to hang an attack on
devrel onto my rather innocuous musings.

Sorry for any confusion,
Regards,
Ferris
-- 
Ferris McCormick (P44646, MI) <fmccor@g.o>
Developer, Gentoo Linux (Devrel, Sparc, Userrel)