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On Sun, 24 May 2009 21:53:34 +0100 |
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Steven J Long <slong@××××××××××××××××××.uk> wrote: |
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> > The format restriction hasn't been agreed upon, |
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> By you. (oh, and your gang.) You're right though, it hasn't been |
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> spammed to the list on more occasions than anyone cares to remember, |
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> nor has it been pushed up to the Council to vote on, when someone |
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> can't convince the rest of the developer community. It just works. |
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You are more than welcome to write up your alternative into a formal |
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proposal if you desire. |
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> > and doesn't solve the whole problem anyway. |
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> Only we're not allowed to hear what problem you _think_ exists. |
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... The ones mentioned in GLEP 55. Which you should read. |
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> > Go and look at all the ebuilds using MY_PV style hacks. Group these |
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> > into "necessary because upstream are being silly" and "we're only |
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> > doing this because of some utterly arbitrary rules imposed in the |
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> > early days of Gentoo". Most are in the second camp. |
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> Please elucidate the use-case, and how the versions cannot be |
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> represented within Gentoo, or within the expanded def'n[2] as you |
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> were asked to do. |
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Examples are given in GLEP 55. Which you should read. |
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> If you're concerned about stupid BASH, perhaps you could direct your |
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> energy towards better BASH scripting, and not relying on an eclass to |
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> do what #bash beginners learn in their first two weeks. |
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Had you looked at the tree before versionator came along, you would |
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know why versionator was by far the lesser of two evils... |
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> >> In passing, I must express bewildered amusement at the idea of a |
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> >> format with an unlimited amount of extensions. |
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> > Not what's being proposed. We're proposing giving each format its |
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> > own file extension. |
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> No, you're trying to hijack .ebuild. Even |
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> cat-foo/blah-version--EAPI.ebuild would be better than this nonsense. |
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And you will note that GLEP 55 includes an alternative for people who |
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think that .ebuild-X is bad but .something.X.eb is fine. |
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> If you want to do a radically new format, go ahead; no-one's stopping |
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> you or holding your work back in any way. The same cannot be said for |
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> your continued antics. |
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No, I want good, incremental improvement. |
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> Oh yeah, .exheres hasn't quite got the same cachet as .ebuild. No |
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> satisfaction in it, unlike getting Gentoo to 'submit'. |
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As you have been told several times before, Exherbo has entirely |
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different goals, and I don't consider it to be a replacement for |
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Gentoo. Please stop your pathetic attempts at trolling. |
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> I still haven't seen a version that cannot be handled within the |
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> Gentoo schema (and I note you were remarkably silent on suggestions |
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> that were put to you[2], as you always are if they didn't come from |
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> paludis.) If you're arguing no human input should be required, I |
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> think you have a misunderstanding of the user-base. |
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You still haven't read GLEP 55? |
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> Some of us prefer to know that a human has both tried the ebuild out, |
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> and gone through repoman. And that that person takes pride in their |
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> name on the commit, and stands by the principle of "you broke it, you |
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> fix it." |
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> It's called a distribution, not "ciara's collection of stuff scraped |
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> from a webservice." |
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What does this have to do with anything? It's entirely unrelated to the |
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matter at hand. |
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Ciaran McCreesh |