Gentoo Archives: gentoo-dev

From: Matti Bickel <mabi@g.o>
To: gentoo-dev@l.g.o
Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Policy regarding the inactive members
Date: Sun, 11 Apr 2010 16:13:25
In Reply to: Re: [gentoo-dev] Policy regarding the inactive members by Zeerak Mustafa Waseem
1 Zeerak Mustafa Waseem wrote:
2 > But isn't it the councils purpose to lead gentoo?
4 It's my understanding that council gets elected to lead gentoo as a
5 whole. But in the end the one doing the work gets to decide what's going
6 on (as long as it's intra-project; the only thing i remember where
7 council got to vote on a "project" outcome is PMS/EAPI)
9 Don't get me wrong: several times i hoped for somebody with authority to
10 magically end discussions on an issue, handing out the right direction
11 and be done with it (you already mentioned python-3).
12 But in a "consensus" community like gentoo we will instantly have
13 discussions about "our" definition of "right direction". Only a select
14 few still have that authority required to end a sub-thread with their
15 "right direction". And this is mostly because they post hard facts you
16 are buying because they've done so for years and otherwise kept their
17 mouth shut.
19 But i disgress..
21 > By leading they have to either delegate to someone to supervise
22 > Gentoo projects or do it themselves.
24 No. It just doesn't work that way. GLEP39 says projects may have a
25 leader, who will hopefully be responsible to the projects members.
27 That's the person you want to turn to. Older projects may still have a
28 "operation" lead and a "strategic" lead. In that case, you want the
29 "strategic" lead :)
31 The whole wording and history of the GLEP gives projects most of the
32 power. They can't be blocked by the community, they can conflict, they
33 can go defunct at any time. All these are explicitly spelled out in the
34 GLEP.
36 > I do agree
37 > that doing something yourself will always be the first step, but
38 > there is no way every developer can keep track of everything that's
39 > going on.
41 They are not required to. I'm not required to know of the wiki project
42 or the huge issue that python3 going stable seems to be. My
43 responsibility as a dev is to keep up with things I work on, like EAPI
44 changes. If I *want* others to notice, I'll contact council (if I need a
45 decision) or PR (if I have an announcement).
47 You are proposing a centralized solution. This hasn't worked since
48 Daniel left and I personally think gentoo's too large to successfully
49 try it again.
51 > I utterly fail to see why there should be any rock throwing.
53 Me too. But it happens. Despite a dozen folks calling for calm again and
54 again. I don't want to offer explanations for it, this mail has gotten
55 long enough as it is ;)


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