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Ciaran, |
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What I do know is that you should not be allowed to insult random |
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developers like Jakub when it suits you. If things get slightly more |
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unpleasant or unproductive for a brief period of time while I find an |
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appropriate mechanism to remove you from this list (due to AWOL |
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project leadership,) I consider that time well spent. You clearly |
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should not be here. |
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If anyone should apologize, the Gentoo project leadership should |
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apologize for not removing you from the list sooner. This project is |
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screwed if people who act like you are allowed to stick around. |
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Since you seem to agree with me that your participation on this list |
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has been a waste of your time, I await an announcement of a separate |
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PMS list hosted on non-Gentoo infrastructure on which you will discuss |
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your work, as well as your timely unsubscription from this list. |
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-Daniel |
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On 3/4/07, Ciaran McCreesh <ciaranm@×××××××.org> wrote: |
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> On Sun, 4 Mar 2007 10:03:54 -0700 "Daniel Robbins" |
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> <drobbins.daniel@×××××.com> wrote: |
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> > In defense of my confusion, certainly appears from the perspective of |
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> > the gentoo-dev ml that you are leading at the very least the |
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> > day-to-day management of the project. |
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> No, as I've already told you, I'm just the one who hasn't decided to |
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> ignore all this pointless noise yet. |
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> > PMS is a project that is not an offical Gentoo project, but is |
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> > controlled by a Gentoo developer (spb), is hosted on external |
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> > infrastructure, does not have a Gentoo Foundation copyright. |
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> PMS is a QA subproject. It even has a subproject page now. |
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> > The council may try to impose a deadline on PMS but it is a non-Gentoo |
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> > project and thus out of its scope of influence in all areas besides |
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> > areas of mutual coordination. |
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> The Council imposing a deadline upon PMS would have exactly the same |
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> effect as the Council imposing a deadline upon anything else. |
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> |
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> > Significant contributions to PMS are coming from Ciaran, someone who |
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> > has been explicitly banned from Gentoo development |
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> Untrue. I haven't been banned from Gentoo development, and I've been |
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> contributing to plenty of things for a long time. |
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> > The specification is designed to document |
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> > that functionality that ebuilds can rely on. Paludis, a non-Gentoo |
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> > project lead by Ciaran, will likely be the first conformant |
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> > implementation, after which the process will begin to get it adopted |
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> > as official policy for Gentoo ebuilds, via the Council and QA. |
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> The first conformant implementation will likely be Portage, unless |
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> Portage has some particularly nasty bugs that take a long time to fix. |
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> Paludis will likely be the first conformant *independent* |
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> implementation. An independent implementation is generally considered |
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> necessary for something to be a proper standard rather than a |
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> description of a program. |
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> > I *think* I have all that right? OK, I will accept this. |
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> > |
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> > If that's the case, I'm suggesting the following "tweak" to the plans. |
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> > a) move PMS discussion off this list |
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> That would be great. There has been absolutely nothing of value |
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> received from people discussing PMS on this list. Moving it onto a list |
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> where the PMS project lead can remove people who contribute nothing to |
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> the discussion would be very helpful. |
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> > It's also not worth keeping PMS on this list for a number of reasons, |
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> > and confuses people (me included) as to whether it is an official |
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> > Gentoo project. |
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> If you're confused, it's because you didn't do your research before |
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> jumping in with all your accusations. |
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> > b) You (Ciaran) should unsubscribe from this list. |
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> > |
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> > Rationale: You (Ciaran) have already been explicitly banned from |
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> > Gentoo development |
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> Untrue. |
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> > yet are acting as the project's official spokesman on this list which |
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> > is clearly a Gentoo development list. |
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> Also untrue, as you have been told several times. |
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> > I am asking that you have a basic respect for your removal from |
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> > Gentoo, despite your personal feelings, which to me means that you |
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> > are not "involved" as a developer on a day-to-day basis and not |
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> > working directly with other Gentoo developers - except those that |
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> > might want or need to work with you on non-Gentoo projects (who can |
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> > then freely interact with you on non-Gentoo lists.) |
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> Funnily enough, I'm working quite happily with more Gentoo developers |
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> that most other Gentoo developers, both on official Gentoo projects and |
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> on external projects. |
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> > This should not impede your work or that of PMS, as interested parties |
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> > can just subscribe to those non-Gentoo lists. In fact I expect this |
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> > will help to accelerate PMS development dramatically. |
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> If accelerating PMS development is your goal, I suggest you stop |
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> commenting upon it... This thread has become a massive waste of time |
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> thanks mainly to your input. |
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> > *That* is what I have been trying to do, with the priority placed on |
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> > getting Gentoo going in the right direction. |
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> I think you need to step back and admit that at present, you're not |
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> familiar enough with how Gentoo is operating to provide any kind of |
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> input on that sort of topic. Give yourself time to get back into the |
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> flow of things, learn what projects like PMS are *before* you start |
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> jumping in on discussions. Apologise to everyone whose time you wasted |
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> by making them read this thread if you like, but more importantly don't |
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> do it again. |
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> -- |
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> Ciaran McCreesh |
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> Mail : ciaranm at ciaranm.org |
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> Web : http://ciaranm.org/ |
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> Paludis, the secure package manager : http://paludis.pioto.org/ |
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