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On 29 May 2012 12:27, hasufell <hasufell@g.o> wrote: |
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> On 05/29/2012 05:23 PM, Rich Freeman wrote: |
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>> On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 10:57 AM, hasufell <hasufell@g.o> |
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>> wrote: |
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>>> I am against too many defaults. It's documented and people can |
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>>> activate it. I'm already annoyed by pre-set stuff like "cups" in |
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>>> releases/make.defaults. |
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>> While universal agreement is a bit much to hope for, I just wanted |
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>> to point out that fewer defaults is really just an illusion. |
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>> There is ALWAYS a default, anytime you have an option. The |
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>> default might be one thing, or it might be another, but there is |
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>> ALWAYS a default. My thinking is that our defaults should |
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>> generally reflect the most mainstream or least-surprising behavior, |
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>> especially where there are upstream projects. in the case of |
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>> portage, we are the upstream, so we should do whatever is most |
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>> useful and least obnoxious to our users. |
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>> If you're running something other than a generic desktop/server, |
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>> there will always be a need to tweak things. |
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>> Rich |
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> Well then let my clarify: I'm against too many pre-set (meaning |
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> "activated") features/useflags. |
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> That's probably a seperate discussion, but I myself would expect the |
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> _default_ profile/config to have almost nothing activated. No |
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> useflags, no features etc. |
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> That may imply that this default is "broken", but it takes more time |
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> to do reverse-configuration while looking for things that someone |
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> considered "sane" and has set for your "convenience". |
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> I discovered this the first time I set up a blank chroot and got a |
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> load of stuff pulled in by some trivial emerges. Some set by already |
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> mentioned releases/make.defaults and similar, some set by ebuilds etc. |
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> What you do with other profiles is a completely different topic, |
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> because I'm not forced to use them. |
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> means: I don't like the fact that I have to set |
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> FEATURES="-foobar" |
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> or |
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> USE="-foobar" |
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> That should almost never be the case (unless I set some globally and |
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> unset some locally or use desktop-profiles etc). |
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> am I offtopic already? Hope you got the point though. |
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I disagree with this. I think Gentoo should be about SANE defaults. If |
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you want a minimal system, you can turn off all the USE flags and/or |
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FEATURES and/or use the standard (not desktop/) profile. SANE defaults |
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like FEATURES="userpriv usersandbox" are optimal for probably 90% of |
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users and if you're not one of those 90%, there'll be a news item, |
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just turn them off... |
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