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On Fri, 2004-07-09 at 11:37, Grant Goodyear wrote: |
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> Chris Gianelloni wrote: [Fri Jul 09 2004, 10:42:59AM EDT] |
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> > For consitency's sake, yes, it is necessary. I don't want to build a |
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> > machine today using the 2004.0 profile and build a machine tomorrow |
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> > using *the same profile* and have one using xfree and one using |
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> > xorg-x11. |
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> Just to make sure I understand, you're suggesting a new profile that |
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> removes the absolutely pointless xfree line in the packages file |
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> (pointless because it's not a system file and we haven't had any xfree |
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> ebuilds in portage that fail to satisfy the requirement since probably |
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> the 1.2 days) and change the default x11 virtual to point to xorg-x11? |
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Yes, the removal of the xfree line from packages would be done. I would |
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also change the default virtual for x11, opengl, glu, and xft. |
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> It's not really clear to me that a new profile needs to be created every |
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> time a default virtual changes. My reasoning is that any user who |
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> already has something installed that satisfies that virtual will see |
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> absolutely no difference with the new profile. With X, that would be the |
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> vast majority of our users, who then might well be more confused |
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> that using the new profile does _not_ cause them to upgrade to xorg-x11. |
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I understand that users that switch profiles will see no difference, and |
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am fine with that. I'm not worried about people that do that, since we |
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will in essence not be affecting them at all. Since the switch from |
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xfree to xorg-x11 has the potential to be so wide-spread, I think it |
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should be done with the creation of a new profile. |
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The idea of changing a virtual mid-release has *always* bothered me and |
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is a prime example of Gentoo's problems when it comes to enterprise |
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users. In an enterprise environment, consistency between releases is |
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expected. I should *never* have to wonder which X server got installed |
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between on each machine between multiple 2004.2 installations. I should |
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*know* that 2004.0 and 2004.1 used XFree86 and that 2004.2+ uses X.org's |
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server. |
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I have no problem dealing with the users that switch their profiles |
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themselves and then wonder why they didn't switch X servers rather than |
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dealing with the inconsistency between installs. |
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If GCC 3.4 were ready for wide-spread usage, I would recommend changing |
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it in the packages file, also. Unfortunately, it is not at that point |
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yet, so we are not making such a change. |
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-- |
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Chris Gianelloni |
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Release Engineering QA Manager/Games Developer |
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Gentoo Linux |
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Is your power animal a penguin? |