| 1 |
On 8 May 2013 21:51, Ben de Groot <yngwin@g.o> wrote: |
| 2 |
[...] |
| 3 |
> Where upstreams ship systemd units, I don't think there is any issue. |
| 4 |
> The problem is you are asking Gentoo maintainers to add unit files |
| 5 |
> that upstream is not shipping. In this case we should test and |
| 6 |
> maintain these ourselves, which is an additional burden for very |
| 7 |
> little (if any) gain. |
| 8 |
|
| 9 |
The burden is not on the package maintainers, but on the systemd team. |
| 10 |
The perception of gain is entirely yours (and clearly biased). |
| 11 |
|
| 12 |
>>> Mostly the complaints against adding systemd units are that it would |
| 13 |
>>> unnecessarily clutter non-systemd installs. Users who complain are told |
| 14 |
>>> to set INSTALL_MASK but that is somewhat unwieldy. |
| 15 |
>> |
| 16 |
>> Cluttering a system by just installing 4kb files? The council has |
| 17 |
>> spoken. If you don't like the decision, I am sorry. |
| 18 |
>> I can say the same for init scripts, they are freaking cluttering my |
| 19 |
>> system and they're all over. |
| 20 |
>> Or perhaps all these man pages, I don't need man pages locally but |
| 21 |
>> still most ebuilds do install them. What do we do? |
| 22 |
>> |
| 23 |
>> Let's be serious here. |
| 24 |
> |
| 25 |
> You are forgetting that OpenRC is, and will remain for the foreseeable |
| 26 |
> future, the default on Gentoo. Any systemd related files are |
| 27 |
> completely useless for most of our users. And those of us who consider |
| 28 |
> systemd a cancer do not want to see such files installed at all. |
| 29 |
|
| 30 |
The overhead of the files' presence is trivial, and most users won't |
| 31 |
care. Those who do care have a trivial line to add in make.conf, and |
| 32 |
that is for the small number of people who share your vitriol for the |
| 33 |
systemd project. |
| 34 |
|
| 35 |
> Gentoo is about choice and configurability. This means we will |
| 36 |
> accommodate both sides: so those who want to use an alternative init |
| 37 |
> system can do so, and those who want to avoid it can also keep doing |
| 38 |
> so. |
| 39 |
|
| 40 |
This is a strawman. What Fabio is doing provides more choice, so fits |
| 41 |
your "Gentoo is about choice" criterion. Making the people who wish to |
| 42 |
provide this choice jump through hoops merely for personal dislike of |
| 43 |
the project on the other hand violates this tenet that we all seem to |
| 44 |
be so fond of. |
| 45 |
|
| 46 |
-- Arun |
Archives