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From: Brian Harring <ferringb@×××××.com>
To: gentoo-dev@l.g.o
Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: A Little Council Reform Anyone?
Date: Fri, 03 Jul 2009 09:10:52
Message-Id: 20090703090848.GB6719@hrair
In Reply to: Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: A Little Council Reform Anyone? by Ciaran McCreesh
1 On Thu, Jul 02, 2009 at 09:43:53PM +0100, Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
2 > On Thu, 2 Jul 2009 22:29:39 +0200
3 > Christian Faulhammer <fauli@g.o> wrote:
4 > > > Which groups who would like to be able to contribute currently feel
5 > > > that they can't, why do they feel that and why haven't they said so?
6 > >
7 > > For example people from the other package managers apart from
8 > > Paludis.
9 >
10 > Zac's said he's not particularly interested in the deciding upon new
11 > features part, and despite that there was considerable Portage
12 > influence upon all three new EAPIs. The Pkgcore people haven't tried
13 > pushing for anything as far as I know. The option's there for them, but
14 > they haven't expressed any interest.
15
16 Actually pkgcore folk have pushed for stuff. mtime preservation is a
17 simple example of things I've pushed for- at the time implemented by
18 portage/pkgcore, eliminates the orphan potential for .pyc and other
19 generated files (iow, very useful). My personal opinion on what goes
20 into PMS is that it's typically only stuff that paludis supports
21 already (or is a direction paludis wants to go towards). Could be
22 wrong, but that's my opinion of it via watching/involvement in it from
23 it's public inception.
24
25 In terms of involvement in PMS, frankly it's not worth it from where
26 I'm sitting due to ciarans behaviour. Simplest explanation possible
27 there is that w/ ciaran being effectively the loudest voice PMS wise,
28 combined w/ behaviour involving sitting on bugs in competing managers
29 (including instances where that manager isn't compliant w/ PMS) and
30 popping them out at random times on the ML to rip on the manager,
31 it's not worth dealing with it.
32
33 It's not a matter of having thicker skin- it's literally a question of
34 worth. Is it worth trying to have a voice if it means exposing
35 yourself to BS behaviour? Via that line of thought y'all should be
36 able to understand my personal choice involvement wise.
37
38 It's basically a happier existance to just implement the spec, and
39 keep the head down ;)
40
41 My two cents on it, for what it's worth.
42 ~brian

Replies

Subject Author
Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: A Little Council Reform Anyone? Ciaran McCreesh <ciaran.mccreesh@××××××××××.com>
[gentoo-dev] Re: Re: A Little Council Reform Anyone? Steven J Long <slong@××××××××××××××××××.uk>