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On Fri, 2006-05-05 at 09:20 +0200, Bart Braem wrote: |
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> > That way, people who prefer stability over the latest features can run |
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> > "arch", and everyone who bitches about packages being out of date can run |
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> > the middle tag, and "~arch" can be kept for testing. |
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> I really, really agree here. I know this seems like a flamewar but it is |
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> starting to annoy me. There are several packages that are several months |
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> behind the official releases. I am going to name some of them: |
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> Firefox 1.5: 5 months (the entire world uses it now, in stable) |
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broken, unstable, no good |
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(memleaks and horrible performance on a substantial amount of |
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systems ...) |
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> KDE 3.5.2: 1.5 months (I know our devs get prereleases, so we had this time) |
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~40 bugs open as Chris said. No go. |
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> Xorg 7: 5 months |
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I don't know the status on this one, but I guess it's going to be done |
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when it's done |
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Also GCC 4.x - all others are using it, right? |
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Well ... 4.0 was a mess, 4.1 is looking good and should be available |
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soon - when everything compiles with it. |
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> I know we have a lot of work to do, but I have some concerns. How long are |
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> we going to maintain old packages? KDE 3.4.3 is no longer supported by the |
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> KDE developpers. Firefox extensions for 1.0 are becoming extinct. |
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> You are also getting a lot of work trying to fix bugs in old software. Most |
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> probably you are starting to backport bugfixes, is this the way we want |
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> things to go? |
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No, but if the new version is buggy it's not going to be unmasked just |
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because upstream would prefer that. |
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> I understand you don't care about how many users you have, Gentoo is not a |
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> bussiness. But if I try to convince users about the current situation that |
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> is hard. I can't explain this, I really can't. My only answer is "put it |
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> in /etc/portage/package.keywords". But that one is growing very fast... |
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So go ~x86 all the way ... it's been good enough for me for ~2 years now |
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I understand your frustration, I'd like Gentoo to be more "bleeding |
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edge" as it used to be, but then I have an install that was originally |
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1.2 (I think, might have been 1.4rc) that was updated and recompiled |
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every now and then - that's really awesome, I don't know of any other |
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distro that offers such good migration paths. |
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Just my 2 cents, |
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Patrick |
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Stand still, and let the rest of the universe move |
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