Re: [gentoo-dev] Xmms needs to die.

[Doug Goldstein]

Robert Cernansky wrote:
> On Thu, 24 Aug 2006 19:34:27 +0200 Andrej Kacian <ticho@g.o> wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 24 Aug 2006 18:42:27 +0200
>> Robert Cernansky <hslists2@××××××.sk> wrote:
> [...]
>> mpd (and xmms2) is just a server that is responsible for music playback,
>> functionality such as xosd notification can be provided by clients, one
> [...]
>> Many xmms plugins I saw are frontend-related. This can be handled by
>> MPD clients. One of main clients, gmpc, recently added plugin support,
>> and already plugins for album covers or song lyrics are available.
> [...]
>>> Also I read that it is not possible to play file without addind it to
>>> mpd's database.(?) It seems to be clumsy.
>> This is mainly because mpd is designed to run remotely, i.e. not on
>> your desktop - clients connect via TCP, so they have no idea about the
>> filesystem on box where mpd runs.
>>
>> There are plans to allow this exact functionality via URIs in
>> format: "file://".
>
> So, I've tried mpd plus mpc, gmpc, glurp and kmp clients. I must say
> I don't like it. _Mainly_ because that database thing - sorry but the
> playlist management is worse than I expected. I want simply _freely_
> browse my filesystem, pickup an .m3u file and play it.
>
> I find it very limiting that I cannot play file from any
> location. That I have to copy it to "music" directory and rebuild the
> database. What about removable media?
>
> Another big disadvantage is that it cannot play Audio CD's.
>
> Behavior in multi-user environment is also bad. There is only one
> daemon, so imagine that I'll take a break from my work, pause the
> player, lock my screen and go to pub for an hour. Another user can log
> in and work, and listen the music. But he will have loaded same
> playlist, paused as I left it. So he loads its own and listen, but it
> will break also my player status and when I return, I'll find his
> playlist in my player.
>
> Sure, it can be solved by running separate instance of mpd by user but
> then it is too complicated way just to play music.
>
> In general, I thing there is no really good client for mpd. I can
> imagine that it is possible to start mpd by client, transparently for
> user. That this database disadvantages can be hidden by a client so
> work with files will be easy and straightforward like in xmms. That it
> will have plugin support and more features so things like xosd, handy
> disk-writer plugin, effect plugins, tag editing,... will not be
> missed.
>
> Many features are planned, but it takes time to get into real life.
>
> Btw, something like effect plugin (for example voice removal) belongs
> to server or client?
>
>> Also, mpd has gapless output by default, iirc.
>
> It does not wor for me, gaps are there. I only found Crossfade option
> in kmp client.
>
> Robert
>
>
My answer to this ENTIRE thread is to STOP wasting time complaining,
whining and nagging and write the code.

That's my answer to 99% of the threads on this mailing list. If people
spent 1/2 the time writing code as they do bitching. The problem would
be solved.In the end the people who are actually willing to write the
code or do the work get so worn out by these threads that they don't
care and aren't interested in writing the code anymore. Then nothing
gets done.

This is what happened with xmms development. Which is why it stagnated.
But it's happened in Gentoo before and it will happen again (i.e.
gtk/gtk2 USE flag issue)

-- 
Doug Goldstein <cardoe@g.o>
http://dev.gentoo.org/~cardoe/