Re: [gentoo-dev] One request for the next SoC: non already-devs students

[Alec Warner]

On 3/2/08, Alec Warner <antarus@g.o> wrote:
> On 3/2/08, Diego 'Flameeyes' Pettenò <flameeyes@×××××.com> wrote:
>  >
>  >  I know this is going to stir up quite some discussion, but I do think
>  >  it's worth trying requesting it at least.
>  >
>  >  In the past two years we had quite a few applications from students that
>  >  were already full-fledged Gentoo developers. I sincerely would like that
>  >  this year we put as a rule that Gentoo developers cannot partecipate in
>  >  Summer of Code as students for Gentoo.
>  >
>  >  I'm not asking to penalise Gentoo developers are students. But I
>  >  sincerely think the main goal of Summer of Code is to allow new people
>  >  to enter the scene of Free Software, to understand how Free Software
>  >  projects work and so on. Gentoo Developers are already pretty well
>  >  "inside" this world.
>
>
> OK
>
>
>  >
>  >  I think it should be a self-made decision to abstain from applying as a
>  >  student for what you already partecipate in, but as such concerns don't
>  >  seem to be widespread (at least as the last two years shown), I'm asking
>  >  for a formal decision to all the developers. If that is requested, I'm
>  >  even willing to bring this in front of the council.
>
>
> The summer of code faq specifically addresses this question; so
>  obviously it was a concern and they dealt with it.

Brian suggested I add a link, so ;)

http://code.google.com/soc/2008/faqs.html#0.1_already_opensource

>
>
>  >
>  >  Gentoo's ranks are quite reduced nowadays, and a few persons have shown
>  >  conerns about our current recruiting methods being able to judge clearly
>  >  technical and social skills, as well as the time one is ready to pour
>  >  into the project. I think SoC could be used as a pretty good recruiting
>  >  method: as you are going to work quite a bit with the student, you can
>  >  easily judge availability and technical and social skills. Leaving SoC
>  >  applications open to developers means wasting this opportunity.
>
>
> OK
>
>
>  >
>  >  There are many other organisations partecipating, I think it would be
>  >  quite feasible for Gentoo developers wanting to be a student SoC to
>  >  choose another one, in which they are not involved already. Yes it's
>  >  easier for them to do something for Gentoo as they are already
>  >  contributing, but that is not the point of Summer of Code, the point is
>  >  to introduce new people into projects, not giving money to people to do
>  >  what they already do.
>
>
> Your entire argument is based on the assumption that the Summer of
>  Code program's primary goal is to recruit new developers for Open
>  Source projects.  While this is one goal I am unsure if holding it
>  above the others is necessary.
>
>
>  >
>  >  And just to take a stance, even if this request is to be rejected, I'm
>  >  not going to mentor a student that is already a Gentoo developer, for
>  >  sure.
>
>
> Your choice, as I badly wrote in the guide[1], mentors must be williing.
>
>
>  >
>  >  So to be clear, I'm not trying to look down to anybody, I don't even
>  >  want to stop people from being paid for their work. I just wish that we
>  >  can focus this opportunity to improve the Gentoo project as a whole.
>
>
> I disagree and I will mentor anyone who meets Google's submission
>  requirements and who writes a good proposal.
>
>  -Alec
>
>  [1] http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/userrel/soc/mentoring.xml
>
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