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From: Rich Freeman <rich0@g.o>
To: gentoo-dev@l.g.o
Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: zlib breakage
Date: Sat, 24 Sep 2011 18:19:48
In Reply to: Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: zlib breakage by Mike Frysinger
On Sat, Sep 24, 2011 at 3:10 AM, Mike Frysinger <vapier@g.o> wrote:
> On Sat, Sep 24, 2011 at 02:49, Duncan wrote: >> Unfortunately, locking a bug to kill the whining is likely to have rather >> more negative effects than one might have anticipated.  One would think >> comment locking would be a logical enough extension to have been >> implemented by now; perhaps this is why it hasn't been.  (Full visibility >> locking is of course different, security bugs and all.) > > i don't see any negative effects so far.
Well, you can probably count the 22 emails preceding this one, and the 22 that are sure to follow... User-rel is definitely the appropriate way to handle things like this. There are legitimate technical disagreements over the best way to handle this situation, and I can't approve of Nikos's tendency to personalize things in the bug. On the other hand, simply telling him to get lost is likely to just lead to more flames/etc. This seems like a bit of a tempest in a teapot - we're not talking about a glibc ABI change hitting the tree without planning. A few obscure packages with questionable practices have broken, and are being fixed. We can move on. The fact is that Mike's attitude does not truly reflect the attitudes of all developers, and Nikos's attitude does not reflect the attitudes of all users. So, going into generalities that amount to devs vs users is just going to rile a lot of people up. Gentoo is a community, and devs benefit from a user pool from which new devs emerge (and other random contributions), and users obviously benefit from devs typically at no cost to themselves. Being on the trustee list I get to see the countless donations (often small, sometimes not) coming from the community (no doubt from both devs and users) that let us have things like rsync servers and the mailing list we're posting on. It is really in all of our interests to work together. Devs on the infra team spend no small number of hours making it all work, but it is nice when they need new hardware to just be able to ask and get a check cut, often due to no small number of users. Communities also have to have rules, and when users are dissatisfied with how a developer is handling something there are better and worse ways to handle it. Obviously working it out is the best way. If you need help with that there is always devrel. Simply posting flames on a bug is not the right way to handle it. But, again, this is a bit of a tempest in a teapot, and hopefully something we can all think about. Rich


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Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: zlib breakage Mike Frysinger <vapier@g.o>