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On Tue, Dec 5, 2017 at 5:41 PM, Kristian Fiskerstrand <k_f@g.o> wrote: |
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> On 12/05/2017 11:37 PM, Rich Freeman wrote: |
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>> Honestly, I'm not really a big fan of even on-topic posts from people |
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>> who have caused a lot of harm to others in private. I'm not sure |
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>> which is the lesser evil but do we really want a community where we |
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>> tolerate absolutely any kind of abuse of other members? |
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> We do not, but that presumes actual abuse has been demonstrated. |
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> "spamming the mailing list", where the posts are regarding Gentoo, isn't |
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> automatically abuse because some people are uncomfortable about the |
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> information being presented, or they disagree with it. |
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> |
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We have had cases where people who were the subject of comrel |
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complaints about harassment go on to just post endlessly on mailing |
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lists, sometimes professing that they have no reason why comrel booted |
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them (despite evidence to the contrary existing). It just leads to a |
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one-sided discussion because we don't defend Gentoo's reputation in |
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these cases so instead our lists just get used to smear us. |
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I don't have any issue with discussion of facts, or even the offering |
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of opinion, but the problem is that in these sorts of situations one |
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side presents their side of the story and nobody is free to counter |
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with the other side because of policy (and a reasonable policy at |
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that). And so the allegations just go unchallenged and are repeatedly |
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posted. What value does this add? At best it misleads people into |
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thinking that things like comrel actions are unfounded, and drives |
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away potential contributors. |
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If these were discussions about policy in the abstract and not in the |
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specific then there wouldn't be as much difficulty (indeed, this is |
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the form our disagreement is taking right now). We can certainly have |
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a free conversation about whether somebody who sexually harasses |
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another developer ought to be booted or not. The problem comes in |
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when somebody has been the subject of a decision made based on their |
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individual behavior - there is no way to have a reasonable public |
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conversation about this. |
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IMO discussions about individual comrel/etc decisions simply should |
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not be considered on-topic for our lists. |
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Rich |
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