Re: [gentoo-dev] Making systemd more accessible to "normal" users

[William Hubbs]

On Wed, May 08, 2013 at 11:49:18PM +0800, Ben de Groot wrote:
> On 8 May 2013 23:39, Fabio Erculiani <lxnay@g.o> wrote:
> > On Wed, May 8, 2013 at 5:26 PM, Ben de Groot <yngwin@g.o> wrote:
> >> On 1 May 2013 18:04, Fabio Erculiani <lxnay@g.o> wrote:
> >>> It looks like there is some consensus on the effort of making systemd
> >>> more accessible, while there are problems with submitting bugs about
> >>> new systemd units of the sort that maintainers just_dont_answer(tm).
> >>> In this case, I am just giving 3 weeks grace period for maintainers to
> >>> answer and then I usually go ahead adding units (I'm in systemd@ after
> >>> all).
> >>
> >> In my opinion you should not be asking maintainers to add systemd
> >> units to their packages. They most likely do not have systems on which
> >> they can test these, and very few users would need them anyway. I
> >
> >> would think it is better to add them to a separate systemd-units
> >> package.
> >
> > This sounds really wrong (tm) to me. It took me two weeks to kill that
> > silly systemd-units pkg.
> > All the distros around here do install systemd units with their
> > packages and I believe that the council has already spoken about this.
>
> It sounds more wrong to me to be asking normal package maintainers to
> test and maintain unit files, while they don't use systemd themselves,
> nor have it installed. Nor would most of our users need this.
>
> And I believe the council has only spoken out against using a useflag
> for installing such files. Afaik they haven't spoken out against a
> systemd-units package. Please refer me to their decision if I'm wrong.

I'm going to have to agree with Fabio on this one.

A systemd-units package is not a good idea. The eventual goal is to get
the systemd units into the upstream packages.

Thanks,

William