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From: Donnie Berkholz <spyderous@g.o>
To: gentoo-dev@l.g.o
Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Make logrotate a global USE flag?
Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2006 21:55:37
In Reply to: Re: [gentoo-dev] Make logrotate a global USE flag? by Thomas de Grenier de Latour
1 Thomas de Grenier de Latour wrote:
2 > On Sat, 28 Jan 2006 18:58:52 -0800
3 > Donnie Berkholz <spyderous@g.o> wrote:
4 >
5 >> You want people to recompile the whole package to get another
6 >> text file installed?
7 >
8 > When would one recompile a package just for that? Only case i can
9 > think of is when someone who already has setup his apache / ftp /
10 > database / whatever server suddenly discover what "logrotate" is
11 > and thus decide to start using it, whereas until then he didn't
12 > payed any attention to the flag each time it was listed by "emerge
13 > -pv". That sounds rather unlikely, and i would say "too bad, be
14 > more careful next time..." to such a sysadmin.
16 Oh, that's really friendly. Too bad, so sad, you just have to spend 10
17 hours recompiling all your logrotate-using packages.
19 > And anyway, this
20 > user doesn't really have to recompile anything to fix his mistake:
21 > he can still have a look on the ebuild to see that if the file he
22 > is missing is available in $FILESDIR, or use "ebuild unpack" and
23 > get it from the sources tree when it comes from upstream.
25 I don't expect users to know ebuild syntax to install a package. That's
26 a terrible assumption to make.
28 If it's something in filesdir and you really insist on a USE flag, my
29 preference would be that it's a separate package pulled in by a USE flag
30 instead of requiring a recompilation.
32 >> People who don't want it can set INSTALL_MASK. It should be
33 >> installed by default and not switchable with a USE flag.
34 >
35 > USE flag is the only way to indicate that a package has logrotate
36 > support, and that's important. Remember that files added to an
37 > /etc/something.d/ directory are chunks of configuration merged
38 > with the user's one. First time they are installed, they are just
39 > like bypassing the etc-update protection.
40 > I remember that, maybe 2 years ago, syslog-ng suddenly started to
41 > install a logrotate.d file, with no USE flag. Sure i didn't
42 > noticed it, until i saw that what i had already configured by hand
43 > in a different file was not working has expected anymore. Ok,
44 > that's just logs rotation, it doesn't hurt that much, but still, i
45 > would have prefer it to be introduced along with a USE flag, so
46 > that i can notice the change and decide whether i accept it and
47 > adapt my configuration.
49 And any other "new" file in /etc you also want a USE flag introduced
50 for? Sounds real scalable. Or is this just an exception from the rule?
52 Thanks,
53 Donnie


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Re: [gentoo-dev] Make logrotate a global USE flag? Thomas de Grenier de Latour <degrenier@×××××××××××.fr>