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Chris Gianelloni wrote: |
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> On Sat, 2006-04-08 at 19:15 +0000, Wiktor Wandachowicz wrote: |
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>> Carsten Lohrke <carlo <at> gentoo.org> writes: |
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>>> How do you want not to enforce it? |
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>> Have you actually read the proposal? It's quite sensible and is entitled: |
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>> "Proposal: Integrated boot themes on LiveCDs and installations" |
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>> I suppose that the themes would be defaulted to on the LiveCDs and optional |
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>> for regular installations - typical emerge-if-you-need-it situation. |
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> Funny enough, this was something that I heard requested *many times* |
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> when we were at the booth at LWE. Many of our users think that upstream |
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> defaults are ugly. I tend to agree. I would love to see the "branding" |
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> USE flag added *and used* to give us themes. One of the main reasons |
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> that I chose Gnome over KDE originally was that Gnome had the nice |
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> little Gentoo splash and gdm already had Gentoo themes (even if they |
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> were not the default). It just also happened that later when I tried to |
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> build a KDE-only CD that I couldn't get it to fit on the CD along with |
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> the other stuff, meaning I would have had to remove other packages and I |
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> was planning on investing more time into determining what should go/stay |
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> before touching it. |
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>>> Still, the basic question is: Why!? |
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>> Because it may lead to the creation of well thought out and integrated themes |
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>> for several programs that are able to use them? Including more robustness |
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>> and/or functionality similar to the one that the gfxboot provides? |
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> How about "Why not?" as an answer? It isn't like anyone said that you |
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> would have to do the work. As it stands now, Release Engineering has |
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> someone who does the splash themes for the releases, and this person |
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> could well be tapped to either create or assist in creating a unified |
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> theme set. It really is funny that Donnie brought this up since this |
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> was something that we were actually discussing at LWE. |
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>>> There's no benefit for the user, who will choose whatever theming |
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>>> he wants anyways. |
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>> I for one would be delighted if there was such new set of themes. I'd use |
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>> them right away. To be honest, I tend to match my bootsplash theme with the |
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>> one that's used on the current LiveCD. Somehow I feel I need that when people |
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>> come and ask me "What Linux distro do you use?". If it happens that they ask |
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>> when I boot my laptop they can watch the nice graphical progress (bootsplash) |
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>> and finally my gdm theme. Having a Gentoo theme here helps to associate the |
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>> theme with the distribution. Nobody forced me to do this. I just like it :) |
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> I tend to agree. My laptop also runs the same splash theme as the |
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> release. In fact, it usually is one of the first boxes running it, |
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> since we do testing there before we ever roll it onto a CD. |
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>>> Imho it's superfluous |
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>> To be honest, there are not so many themes out there that are worth |
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>> installing. A good set of Gentoo themes is one of the best ideas |
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>> I've heard for a long time. (!) |
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> You think it is superfluous. I do not. I respect your opinion on this. |
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> Basically, you don't have to work on it. Nobody is forcing you to do so |
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> or even asking you to participate. |
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>>> and therefore wasted time. |
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>> I understand your point. But are you sure that spreading the "negative energy" |
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>> and killing the idea is best? No progress is done without breaking rules |
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>> and working against the inertia of habits. |
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> Sure, it would be wasted time if someone were trying to force *you* to |
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> waste *your* time as you are not interested. For those of us that are, |
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> it isn't a waste in any sense. |
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>>> I for one favor to stick with that, what upstream provides. |
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>> I guess you should be able to leave with that. No one would "force" you to |
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>> switch the splashes/background/themes unless you wanted it. |
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> Correct. |
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>> And while we are at it, is there any chance that the bug #124920 |
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>> could be taken into account while creating new gdm theme? |
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> I don't see why not. |
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You said everything I wanted to say. I'll add this: |
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I talked to spyderous and christel about this on irc the other day. I |
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think we should have a unified Gentoo Theme that cuts across all |
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projects. I'm willing to theme *.gentoo.org to match and I'm also |
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willing to help out with theming other things or actually creating the |
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artwork if we really need help on that front (I'm not an artist but if |
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we have basic artwork made I can fit it into other things, do layouts, |
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help patch ebuilds, etc...). |
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Spyderous already has a new logo started that we can build on. We can |
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easily take it and build an entire theme around it. We also have the |
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lila theme and the Gentoo Icon Set we can use as raw material. Both of |
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them could easily be reworked into something we can use if we need to. |
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The theme we create could easily be extended to all the other things we |
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use artwork for, business cards and posters for the live events plus all |
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the things in the store, etc... |
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Personally, I think it's time we stopped releasing with the default, |
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upstream, ugly and boring themes and start releasing with a unified |
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distro wide Gentoo Theme. Present the world with a professional face for |
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a change instead of this ad-hoc-made-in-my-basement look and feel it has |
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now. |
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SO, what sort of time frame is everyone looking at here, 2006.1 or 2007.0? |