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On 01/23/2016 12:52 AM, Ian Delaney wrote: |
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> On Thu, 21 Jan 2016 16:30:14 -0800 Daniel Campbell <zlg@g.o> |
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>> On 01/21/2016 02:41 PM, waltdnes@××××××××.org wrote: |
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>>> On Thu, Jan 21, 2016 at 06:45:20PM +0100, Micha?? Górny wrote |
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>> [...] [...] [...] |
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>>> I think you misunderstood Roy. He was speaking about |
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>>> "unmaintained but perfectly functional software". You're |
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>>> talking about "a package that clearly doesn't build or |
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>>> otherwise simply doesn't work, could not have worked for past 3 |
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>>> years". Between those 2 extremes will be many cases of |
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>>> doesn't-work-for-me/works-for-me. Who'll be the final |
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>>> arbiter? |
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>>> Maybe we should start a "gentoo-ebuilds" mailing list to help |
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>>> regular users learn the ins and outs of making ebuilds. Once |
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>>> regular users run a lot of their own ebuilds from their local |
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>>> overlays, then it would be possible to do draconian pruning of |
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>>> the "official portage tree", without so adversely affecting |
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>>> regular users. This would fit in with the mantra of Gentoo |
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>>> being about freedom of choice. |
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>>> E.g. I use Pale Moon, a fork of Firefox. Currently, I have to |
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>>> build as regular user, su, and copy the binary to /usr/local. |
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>>> You can see "Walter's excellent adventure" <G> as I learn the |
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>>> build process at... |
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>>> https://forum.palemoon.org/viewtopic.php?f=37&t=10002 |
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>>> I'd like to have Portage manage the process. The ebuild from |
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>>> Firefox should serve as a template, because they both use the |
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>>> same weird Mozilla build setup. The main change should be |
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>>> where the source is pulled from. |
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>> The idea sounds nice, but there's already the devmanual to cover |
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>> ebuild development, and now that the gentoo repo is in git, any |
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>> ebuilds that get treecleaned can be fetched again through |
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>> history, and users can then add those to their personal |
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>> overlay(s) and keep the piece if they break. |
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>> I like the idea of encouraging people to learn good ebuild |
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>> writing, but who really has the time and skill to teach it? |
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> me. Been doing it for months. You had not noticed? via |
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> #gentoo-proxy-maint, which I made from scratch, despite the notion |
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> initially being discounted by one mrueg. He now is a colleague in |
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> the channel. |
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I didn't, actually. I guess the only thing I've seen as a result of |
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your work is possibly more new devs. That's pretty awesome, though; I |
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had no idea. I can't speak for other devs but I respect people who |
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have the patience and gift to teach people. You helped me a little |
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when I was becoming a developer and I appreciate it. |
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