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From: NP-Hardass <NP-Hardass@g.o>
To: gentoo-dev@l.g.o
Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] gtk/gtk2/gtk3 USE flag situation
Date: Fri, 27 May 2016 21:10:30
Message-Id: 5748B768.1090105@gentoo.org
In Reply to: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] gtk/gtk2/gtk3 USE flag situation by Mart Raudsepp
1 On 05/27/2016 10:21 AM, Mart Raudsepp wrote:
2 > Hello,
3 >
4 > Despite it being 2016 and gtk2 pretty much dead, buried and forgotten
5 > upstream, many applications still support only gtk2, have subtle issues
6 > with their gtk3 port, or support both, with some of our userbase
7 > clinging to gtk2 for dubious political or aesthetical reasons.
8 >
9 > For the latter cases, despite GNOME teams policy and strong preference
10 > on not providing a choice and just choosing gtk2 or gtk3 (gtk3 if it's
11 > working as good as gtk2), some cases exist where the maintainers want
12 > to provide such choice. In some cases it is understandable for a short
13 > while during transition, e.g firefox. In other cases, it is purely for
14 > the sake of providing the choice of working with a deprecated toolkit,
15 > apparently.
16 >
17 > My highly biased essay aside, we need to finally globally agree on what
18 > we do in this situation. If we allow this choice at all, only for
19 > special cases, or widespread. And if this choice is provided, how do we
20 > name the USE flag.
21 >
22 I don't see the benefit of forcing people off of gtk2 to gtk3 when gtk2
23 is working just fine. gtk2 is entrenched, and will take a while to
24 migrate apps from. A parallel, why don't we just drop python2.7? It's
25 old, superseded, and plenty of things support python3.x. I disagree
26 with this logic. In my opinion, we should remove support for them when
27 it seems that it has been dropped by a majority of packages or unfixed
28 security issues make it not worth keeping around. I don't think we are
29 anywhere near that point.
30
31 [...]
32
33 > Thoughts? Agreements? Suggestions?
34 > I'm particularly interested in QA opinion here. I believe WilliamH
35 > wanted to spearhead this from their side.
36 >
37 >
38 > Regards,
39 > Mart Raudsepp
40 > Gentoo developer, GNOME team
41 >
42
43 Flag specific comments to follow in WilliamH's reply.
44
45 --
46 NP-Hardass

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