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General suggestion ciaran, calm the hell down and just wait for the |
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council. Not helping your case for why you think I shouldn't see the |
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stupid thing at all with rants like this (not saying I want you to |
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succeed in blocking me from the doc mind you). |
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On Sat, Mar 03, 2007 at 02:14:11PM +0000, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: |
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> And you've already been told why I'd rather you didn't have it. In any |
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> case, you've been told to ask spb if you want it, and I suspect he has |
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> better things to do with his time than read these threads properly. |
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Already asked spb; he defered to you at the time. |
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This is getting retarded also. ;) |
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Upshot, he's now generating the ToC for me. Not exactly content, |
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but at least can *finally* gauge what work has been done. |
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> > Two angles on the behaviour BS; either related to the fact I'm dead |
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> > set on the spec reflecting portage behaviour, and being finished, or |
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> > it's related to the fact the paludis devs generally speaking would be |
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> > the first group of folks lining up to kick me in the balls. |
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> No, it's that you're dead set on derailing it and being as unhelpful as |
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> possible. |
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Bit of BS. will admit I think y'all are running it like it's a secret |
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club (complete with deciding who is 'leet' enough, taunting those |
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who aren't), but derailing it? |
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I want the thing finished, and I want it accurate. No amount of |
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accusations will change that. |
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Further, the sooner it's finished, the sooner I can go back to *not* |
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interacting with y'all, which frankly is high on the priority list :) |
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Tend to think you're letting bad blood over a suspension blind you |
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here also. |
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> You have absolutely nothing to contribute, |
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Friendly reminder; 'twas one of the portage monkeys for several years, |
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specifically maintaining ebuild env. |
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Beyond that, laid the ground work for the env work you're just now |
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starting to get into (glep33 already has the bits)- trees fairly clean |
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due to the fact EBD (3+ years prior to your own investigation of env |
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issues) already forced cleanup of most of the tree (this is what |
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pauldv was talking about in the past thread also). |
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Will admit my portage UI knowledge is getting rusty, but still have to |
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match the portage internals, and still track the changes they (and |
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paludis) make. Done a fair bit more, including sound wench^developer |
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(thanks a lot for that crap job seemant), but public ml isn't really |
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the place for doing wang measurements. |
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> as evidenced by |
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> every previous time you've gotten involved with anything I've done, and |
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> given how badly you tried to screw up GLEP 42 and how much of my time |
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> you wasted doing so, I really don't want to deal with your noise ever |
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> again. |
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Save the adhominem kindly; may not like the fact that at the time you |
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had to put forth proposals I had a say on it, but thats the way it |
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was. |
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Further, the glep42 changes *were* intended to make it saner for |
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portage to support, not just your manager. |
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> You also have a lot to gain by wrecking the process, |
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I gain zero by wrecking the process. Time for another history |
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lesson... |
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Friendly reminder, the only reason EAPI=0 is even being possible is |
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because *I* added EAPI, against a fair bit of arguing at the time |
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also. Intention was for the format to evolve (add in bits stated in |
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the other email that couldn't be done without breaking things). None |
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of the real features folks have asked for can be added without EAPI=0 |
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defined, thus *I* have an interest in it getting finished. |
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Yes, you may dislike the form EAPI took. Point is, kindly don't |
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claim I have anything to gain by blocking the process *I* started. |
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Prior to me pushing that through, folks were willy nilly making |
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changes (look at the .5x history if in doubt). I *do* want the damn |
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thing finished- would be nice to actually get out the mythical EAPI=1 |
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sometime before I turn 30. |
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Really is that simple, long standing stuff I've worked on can't |
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progress without EAPI=N being possible. |
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> and your |
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> past behaviour has shown that you'll stoop to any kind of dirty |
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> trickery and abuse of the system that you think you can get away with |
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> rather than having a proper technical discussion. |
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spare the ad hominem. As I said in the parent post, I may not like |
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you, but I'll work with you (usually from afar via proxies if given |
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the choice). If in doubt, take a look at the misc portage |
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features I've added for you in the past (glep31, repoman metadata.xml |
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caching off the top of the head). |
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Additionally, spent a good chunk of time answering your questions |
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prior to your suspension about portage behaviour. |
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Don't like your behaviour, and can get pissed off, but that |
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doesn't justify the attack. Besides, public ml is the wrong place for |
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it. |
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> Frame it any way you want, but so far as I'm concerned there is nothing |
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> of value you can possibly provide that would make up for the headache |
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> of having to handle your own unique form of input. |
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Woot. |
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I'm special. :) |
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> But hey, it's up to spb, not me. Try emailing him if you want access. I |
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> couldn't give you svn access even if I wanted to. |
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Well, as you said, spb's decision, ultimately the councils decision if |
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it supports the project. Either way, the little tirade here wasn't |
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needed (and doesn't help your arguement much). |
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If you would like to continue discussing the particulars of why and |
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how you think I suck, private email is the route to go. |
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~harring |