Re: [gentoo-dev] Cross Post due to technical component - Thanks for all the fish

[james]

On 12/06/2016 11:35 AM, Craig Inches wrote:
> Hi,

> I have decided to stop involvement with the Project as a proxied
> maintainer, and to stop pursuing becoming a developer. Two main
> reasons for this, one the community is at times openly hostile on the
> mailing lists and IRC, of which I have asked people on IRC about whom
> have responded this is the norm(once in awhile vents is fine it
> happens but this has been consistently visible) this is ignoring
> cultural differences that may cause misunderstanding; Secondly the
> community is very insular and unwelcoming to new comers.

Sadly, you are at least partially correct. Thick skin should be listed 
as a requirement to participate with Gentoo.  A while back, we we were 
promised an email channel for gentoo-proxy folks that did not get on 
well with IRC. It never materialized, so I too cut my losses with irc
as a blocker to becoming a gentoo dev. Also, I've has several folks
promise to work with individually to obtain proxy status, but they all
just disappear. No doubt, back_channel chatter from some jaded devs 
greased that relationship.

So, I've been planing to just have my own repo, work on ebuilds as
I like (actually accumulated close to 50 now) and F those a.holes....
Then along comes Anna:: what a breath of fresh are and wisdom beyond
her years (see her recent post on gentoo-dev), if you have not already
done so.


> In twelve months of working with people only 2 have actively
> encouraged involvement (shout out to Idella4 and pacho for this), some
> projects didn't respond, or if they did they provided no details or
> feedback to those of us who where new and trying to contribute. I
> don't want to mention names about the negatives because I don't blame
> the individuals; it too me seems to be systemic within the community.
> I have a few comments about how I think you could improve things, but
> feel free to ignore they are offered in the spirit of constructive
> criticism:

> Review your CoC, its open to abuse as pointed out on another thread.
> Enforcement of rules should be consistent.
> Review your recruitment strategies, and framework for contribution.
> https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/ might be of interest to some
> posters! construct a well reason argument - but be prepared to
> reconsider!
> Finally encourage Active involvement from all Developers in Gentoo
> matters not just in their packages, apathy is your worst enemy

> I have updated one outstanding ticket for bugzilla from last week that
> was assigned to me as maintainer wanted, and will shortly put through
> a pull request on github which updates the meta data for bugzilla and
> displaycal removing me as a maintainer.

> To end on a positive note, I was a user for many years and will
> continue for the short term at the very least as I think the concept
> of gentoo is great.

Anna Wilcox has proposed some new and invigorating ideas so that all of 
gentoo may prosper from the splintering into the various gentoo derived 
distributions. In fact I sincerely hope that her ideas are coalesced 
into a GLEP and that forking gentoo, (which is already a meta_distro) is 
rigorously supported and encouraged and stream-lined. I just hope those 
sailing the Gentoo ship, learn some humility and how to assimilate the 
best of the ideas from the various gentoo-derived distros back into 
gentoo proper. CoreOS is a very rich source of materials and ideas, ripe 
for integration back into gentoo-proper, imho;ymmv.

My research on Anna yields a deep wisdom and I have found new reasons 
for joy, related to gentoo, because of her (team) vision. Perhaps you 
should at least go and view www.adelielinux.org.

She is definitely of leadership quality, with impeccable vision and 
manners. I for one, know I can only dream about such qualities, but I'm 
old and cantankerous and fit right in here at gentoo, with the strong 
collective of 'old  bastards'.....

P.S. Never give up on Gentoo, as that would be unwise, imho.


Peace and Best of luck to you, Craig.

James


> Cheers,
> Craig