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On Sun, 4 Mar 2007 10:03:54 -0700 "Daniel Robbins" |
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<drobbins.daniel@×××××.com> wrote: |
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> In defense of my confusion, certainly appears from the perspective of |
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> the gentoo-dev ml that you are leading at the very least the |
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> day-to-day management of the project. |
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No, as I've already told you, I'm just the one who hasn't decided to |
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ignore all this pointless noise yet. |
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> PMS is a project that is not an offical Gentoo project, but is |
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> controlled by a Gentoo developer (spb), is hosted on external |
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> infrastructure, does not have a Gentoo Foundation copyright. |
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PMS is a QA subproject. It even has a subproject page now. |
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> The council may try to impose a deadline on PMS but it is a non-Gentoo |
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> project and thus out of its scope of influence in all areas besides |
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> areas of mutual coordination. |
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The Council imposing a deadline upon PMS would have exactly the same |
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effect as the Council imposing a deadline upon anything else. |
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> Significant contributions to PMS are coming from Ciaran, someone who |
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> has been explicitly banned from Gentoo development |
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Untrue. I haven't been banned from Gentoo development, and I've been |
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contributing to plenty of things for a long time. |
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> The specification is designed to document |
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> that functionality that ebuilds can rely on. Paludis, a non-Gentoo |
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> project lead by Ciaran, will likely be the first conformant |
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> implementation, after which the process will begin to get it adopted |
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> as official policy for Gentoo ebuilds, via the Council and QA. |
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The first conformant implementation will likely be Portage, unless |
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Portage has some particularly nasty bugs that take a long time to fix. |
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Paludis will likely be the first conformant *independent* |
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implementation. An independent implementation is generally considered |
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necessary for something to be a proper standard rather than a |
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description of a program. |
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> I *think* I have all that right? OK, I will accept this. |
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> If that's the case, I'm suggesting the following "tweak" to the plans. |
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> a) move PMS discussion off this list |
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That would be great. There has been absolutely nothing of value |
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received from people discussing PMS on this list. Moving it onto a list |
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where the PMS project lead can remove people who contribute nothing to |
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the discussion would be very helpful. |
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> It's also not worth keeping PMS on this list for a number of reasons, |
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> and confuses people (me included) as to whether it is an official |
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> Gentoo project. |
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If you're confused, it's because you didn't do your research before |
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jumping in with all your accusations. |
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> b) You (Ciaran) should unsubscribe from this list. |
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> Rationale: You (Ciaran) have already been explicitly banned from |
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> Gentoo development |
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Untrue. |
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> yet are acting as the project's official spokesman on this list which |
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> is clearly a Gentoo development list. |
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Also untrue, as you have been told several times. |
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> I am asking that you have a basic respect for your removal from |
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> Gentoo, despite your personal feelings, which to me means that you |
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> are not "involved" as a developer on a day-to-day basis and not |
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> working directly with other Gentoo developers - except those that |
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> might want or need to work with you on non-Gentoo projects (who can |
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> then freely interact with you on non-Gentoo lists.) |
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Funnily enough, I'm working quite happily with more Gentoo developers |
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that most other Gentoo developers, both on official Gentoo projects and |
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on external projects. |
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> This should not impede your work or that of PMS, as interested parties |
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> can just subscribe to those non-Gentoo lists. In fact I expect this |
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> will help to accelerate PMS development dramatically. |
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If accelerating PMS development is your goal, I suggest you stop |
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commenting upon it... This thread has become a massive waste of time |
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thanks mainly to your input. |
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> *That* is what I have been trying to do, with the priority placed on |
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> getting Gentoo going in the right direction. |
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I think you need to step back and admit that at present, you're not |
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familiar enough with how Gentoo is operating to provide any kind of |
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input on that sort of topic. Give yourself time to get back into the |
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flow of things, learn what projects like PMS are *before* you start |
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jumping in on discussions. Apologise to everyone whose time you wasted |
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by making them read this thread if you like, but more importantly don't |
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do it again. |
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-- |
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Ciaran McCreesh |
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Mail : ciaranm at ciaranm.org |
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Web : http://ciaranm.org/ |
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Paludis, the secure package manager : http://paludis.pioto.org/ |