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On Mon, 24 Mar 2014 09:32:40 +0200 |
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Alan McKinnon <alan.mckinnon@×××××.com> wrote: |
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> On 24/03/2014 02:43, Tom Wijsman wrote: |
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> > On Sun, 23 Mar 2014 23:47:22 +0200 |
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> > Alan McKinnon <alan.mckinnon@×××××.com> wrote: |
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> >> Tags work best when they describe narrow, clearly defined |
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> >> attributes, and the thing they are applied to can have one, two or |
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> >> more of these attributes or sometimes even none. Music and movie |
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> >> genres are an excellent example - there are only so many of them |
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> >> and for the most part one can tell whether a tag really is a genre |
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> >> or not. |
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> > There are more ways to search for a music or a movie than a genre: |
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> Genre was just one example of tag usage for illustration. Doesn't mean |
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> there aren't other equally good or valid examples. |
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+1 Ah, in that case, what I've said backs up your thought. \o/ |
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> > We could make a list of types (some already mentioned above) and a |
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> > list of possible tags for that type to shape the tag system |
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> > somewhat. |
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> Have you considered just how much heavy lifting that is? Who is going |
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> to compile the list of tags? |
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+1 Yes, it's why I've stated before this should be crowd sourced. |
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> Who is going to approve/disapprove tagable attributes and the tags |
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> themselves? |
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Approval by default (with a quick skim over it) where we disapprove |
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what's not appropriate once we spot it could work. The "tagging rules" |
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will make themselves here. Those whom are interested could do it; that |
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is, I'd expect Alec to help out a bit, maybe I do too, maybe others? |
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> How will you resolve disagreements people have? |
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Discussion and/or votes. |
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> What about the case of a package maintainer that simply can't be |
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> bothered doing tags at all? |
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+1 [see crowd sourced idea] |
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> I'm not against tagging per se, they can be useful. |
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+1, same thought; it's nice to have, but it needs to be good to work. |
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> But they do have to be strictly controlled otherwise things get out |
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> of hand very quickly. Every case I've seen of software that uses a |
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> freeform tagging mechanism fails almost instantly as it becomes very |
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> inconsistent. I have one of these apps in a corporate setting right |
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> now, have you any idea how many ways people can come up with to tag |
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> the concept of "cloud"? I have tags in there where someone translated |
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> the word "cloud" to a different language! It sounded like a good idea |
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> at the time to them.... |
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> All in all, tagging is a huge amount of work and the odds of failure |
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> are high. People need to be aware of this reality. |
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+1 As can be seen that it can be made to work with things like movie |
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and music recommendation; it indeed took a while till they got at that |
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point, doing the work right avoids us to spend too much time on this. |
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> Wyatt Epp's post at 03:25 expresses very nicely in a more formal |
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> language what I'm saying. |
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+1 |
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With kind regards, |
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Tom Wijsman (TomWij) |
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