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From: "Saleem A." <compnerd@g.o>
To: gentoo-dev@l.g.o
Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Textrels in packages policy
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 22:33:39
Message-Id: 20051213223059.GA2065@gentoo.org
In Reply to: [gentoo-dev] Textrels in packages policy by Mark Loeser
1 On Tue, 13 Dec 2005, Mark Loeser wrote:
2
3 > Basically what I'm looking for here is an easy to understand explanation of
4 > what textrels are, why they are bad, and why they should hold back marking a
5 > package stable. The only information I've been able to find states that they
6 > could cause a performance hit, but this doesn't seem to warrant banning them
7 > completely in my eyes.
8
9 Given my limited knowledge on this, this is my understanding.
10
11 TEXTRELS are basically text relocations. What this is, is relocation
12 within the text segment of the process image. This brings up the
13 question of what a relocation is. A relocation is simply the
14 replacement of some text with a memory location. The big issue with
15 this is that the text segment is usually suppose to be read only for
16 security reasons. But because the text segment needs a relocation, it
17 needs to be read-write since the relocation happens at runtime
18 dynamically. The constant need to look up the address is what causes
19 the performance degredation. The performance degredation however is of
20 no worry to us. The issue is that since the text segment is now
21 read-write, the image of the process is no longer guaranteed to remain
22 the same as it can be overwritten (allowing code modifications at
23 runtime which can happen other ways as well). Because of this, the
24 application is far more vurnerable to arbitrary code execution as if an
25 exploit manages to overwrite the text segment properly, it can execute
26 code that it wants.
27
28 I am not sure how correct this explanation is or it is even what you
29 were looking for.
30
31 > Getting a clear cut policy on exactly what issues should hold a package back
32 > from being marked stable is what I'm looking for. Issues like textrels,
33 > executable stacks, etc is what I'm looking for to be defined and explained why
34 > we are to always avoid them. This should be added to existing documentation
35 > policy so it is somewhere for new devs to know about, and existing devs to
36 > have for a reference.
37
38 I agree, this would be very nice to have. It would make stabilization
39 of packages a little bit easier.
40
41
42 Thanks.
43
44 Saleem Abdulrasool
45 compnerd (at) gentoo (dot) org

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Re: [gentoo-dev] Textrels in packages policy Mike Frysinger <vapier@g.o>