Re: [gentoo-dev] AMD64 Arch Testers needed urgently

[R0b0t1]

On Thu, Dec 14, 2017 at 4:04 PM, R0b0t1 <r030t1@×××××.com> wrote:
> On Thu, Dec 14, 2017 at 2:32 PM, Kristian Fiskerstrand <k_f@g.o> wrote:
>> On 12/14/2017 09:21 PM, R0b0t1 wrote:
>>> It seems like lagging stability is due to a lack of resources. I do
>>> not know a single person who would be able to run only stable
>>> packages.
>>
>> I run stable only on most of my systems.
>>
>
> That is fine, but this thread exists because at least the OP thinks
> stabilization is not happening quickly enough, likely because there
> are not enough people working on it. Allowing stabilization work from
> mixed systems might allow more people to help.
>
>>> They seem to move too slowly, and people switch to unstable
>>> packages because they contain bugfixes and sometimes new features.
>>
>> slow isn't necessarily a problem, as long as security fixes are handled.
>> There is some balancing for large performance gains, but most existing
>> systems are scaled based on the current estimates so it would only be
>> relevant for the up sizing of the server park for growth needs etc.
>>
>>>
>>> Could the criteria for stability be reconsidered? Mixed systems might
>>
>> why would it?
>>
>
> Per the question posed by OP the current state of affairs does not
> seem to be working, and I have tried to point out one likely cause. If
> it's hard to justify the criteria for stability then maybe the
> criteria don't make sense.
>
>>> not be supported, but save for cases of ABI/API breakage (which can
>>> happen when transitioning from stable->stable) I do not know why the
>>> packages would not play well with each other. I am sure there are
>>> examples where things have blown up, but it seems like expecting that
>>> to be the case isn't helping.
>>
>> There are plenty of cases where this fails in miserable ways, so thats
>> not a good idea (not to mention the dependency hell from it). That said,
>> you can have a stable chroot, or just use a VM for testing etc.
>>
>
> Can you be specific? Human memory is biased towards negative
> experiences. If it's hard to actually describe the multitude of issues
> that mixed systems cause then it is very likely mixed systems do not
> cause many issues.
>
> Personally, I have very few problems due to my mixed system, and less
> than I would have on a stable system.
>
> Cheers,
>      R0b0t1

I'm not trying to be confrontational, but asserting an opinion is
correct without explaining why that it is so isn't really conducive to
arriving at the truth. I understand not wanting to answer if I am
completely clueless, and would like to apologize in advance for
bothering the developers.

I am not very smart, sir.

Cheers,
     R0b0t1