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On Tue, 07/15/03 at 23:53:54 +0200, Lars Weiler wrote: |
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> The best thing to find out what users expect from Gentoo is |
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> having a lot of talks during four days on LinuxTag ;-) |
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> You can read a summary of some talks in tantive's diary |
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> available at |
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> http://dev.gentoo.org/~tantive/lt/linuxtag_summary.txt |
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> I realised that there are a lot of people using Gentoo on |
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> servers -- so it isn't still this hacker's distro as |
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> somebody wrote during this thread. |
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This is true, and something I considered bringing up at the time, |
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however even if we aren't a hacker's distro, we are a high performance |
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distro and those who run gentoo on server are experienced sysadmins. |
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and really, any experienced sysadmin should have no problem running |
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gentoo on a server (see someone's response to this post). Furthermore, |
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we are actively (w/o any management changes) becoming much more server |
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friendly (see further information later) |
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> One suggestion from several users was a kind of 'emerge |
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> security', meaning that only security-updates will be |
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> emerged. Furthermore they want to install binary-packages, |
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> at least for the "big packages" (like KDE, mozilla etc.), so |
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> the GLRP should be realized as soon as possible (okay, it's |
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> on the way when I understand yesterday's mail properly). |
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> There are other things suggested as you can read in |
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> tantive's diary. Maybe some of them can become a part of |
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> Gentoo? |
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The feature in portage for this support is almost complete (as you |
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mentioned), and it will be a simple matter to keep a more up-to-date |
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GLRP for major packages. With a seperate BINARY TREE which can be |
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synched against to provide the security only updates. I also believe |
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from talking to carpaski today that the basic work to do |
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GLSA->PORTAGE->emerge -u security has already been started and really |
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just needs a new parent to finish it off. |
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> My view about Gentoo became really changed during those days |
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> on LinuxTag. I realized that Gentoo is as famous as any |
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> other "big" Linux Distribution in Germany and that we have a |
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> lot of "usual" users, even administrators with huge server |
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> farms, and not only hackers or game junkies who want a fast |
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> desktop operating system. We developers should be aware of |
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> this and concentrate our actions to become more comfortable |
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> to the user! |
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To stick to this thread's topic in my closing, I'd like to point out |
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that all of the things needed ot make Gentoo more user and server |
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friendly are already in progress without any further change to the |
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management structure. I think that most of us devs have already felt |
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the overall better organization of release and other related processes |
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since the management overhaul, and we should (as someone else mentioned) |
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let the new structure take hold fully before we decide what all else may |
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need doing. |
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So basically we're well on our way to having what we need, graphical |
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automated installer is in progress, we have a kernel autobuilder so that |
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users don't have to fear gentoo because they can't configure their own |
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linux kernel, and we will soon have a binary package |
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autodownload/install process which will destroy any automatic binary |
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upgrade system currently available that I am aware of. |
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--Brandon |
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> Regards, Lars |
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