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From: "Ilya A. Volynets-Evenbakh" <iluxa@g.o>
To: gentoo-dev@l.g.o
Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Argument resolution [was: Re: Little respect towards Daniel please]
Date: Mon, 05 Mar 2007 03:40:08
Message-Id: 45EB900F.8010901@gentoo.org
In Reply to: [gentoo-dev] Argument resolution [was: Re: Little respect towards Daniel please] by "Ilya A. Volynets-Evenbakh"
1 Oh, and another idea is to have somewhat more real-time debates
2 on IRC. Procedure could be fairly simple: it would still have a jury
3 group overseeing it. Participants would get voice in turn, present
4 their arguments and counter-arguments. If a participant repeatedly
5 fails to answer opponent's arguments according to formal logic rules,
6 he is denied further turns to speak.
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8
9 Ilya A. Volynets-Evenbakh wrote:
10 > Alex Tarkovsky wrote:
11 >
12 >> By trying to silence parties involved in a disagreement you only force their
13 >> differences to manifest in less desirble ways. And when that happens, things
14 >> tend to get really ugly and it inevitably reflects back on Gentoo.
15 >>
16 >> Also, brushing things over to private email and private blogs is not always the
17 >> answer because the issues behind these disagreements often involve (and just as
18 >> importantly, affect) more than 2 people. Just because Daniel Robbins might now
19 >> be taking things over to his private blog doesn't mean you no longer have to
20 >> deal with the issues he attempted to have a public discussion about.
21 >>
22 >> Gentoo should provide an official venue where developers (and ex-developers and
23 >> users) can talk out their disagreements, and under a few plainly spelled-out and
24 >> easily enforceable guidelines designed to keep the discourse somewhat civil.
25 >>
26 >>
27 > That's an interesting idea. It would be nice to have a discussion ML, which
28 > would have one simple rule enforced. Any discussion _must_ follow formal
29 > logic rules.
30 >
31 > Ensuring that rule is followed could be done in a few different ways.
32 > One example:
33 > There would be a small group overseeing discussion, and, solely on the
34 > basis of formal logic rules, would, for example, suspend a person for a day,
35 > in case of violations.
36 >
37 > Of course, enforcement rules could be slightly more complex. i.e.
38 > 2-hour ban for any ad-hominem attack. Two warnings for logic errors,
39 > day ban for third one. Or something. These are details that need to
40 > be worked out, tested, re-hashed, etc.
41 >
42 > This would result in a list that would force people to discuss the actual
43 > issue (technical, or otherwise), as opposed to do doing all sorts of mud
44 > flinging, and, due to temporary bans, would prevent any discussion
45 > from deteriorating into flame fest.
46 >
47 >
48 >
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