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On Sat, Dec 15, 2012 at 07:21:21AM +0000, Duncan wrote |
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> Walter Dnes posted on Sat, 15 Dec 2012 01:33:04 -0500 as excerpted: |
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> > [Udev-systemd has] essentially announced ahead of time that most bugs |
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> > from non-systemd users would be closed with WONTFIX. |
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> Agreed, to this point. |
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> > Actually, for political reasons, I hope that eudev does submit a bunch |
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> > bugs+patches, and gets them rejected. Then whenever anyone complains |
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> > about not sharing code, show them a bunch of WONTFIX emails from |
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> > systemd/udev maintainers. |
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> This attitude is and the described events would be... unfortunate. |
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> For the reasons you list, I don't believe people should be /surprised/ if |
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> many such bugs+patches are rejected after submission, but that wouldn't |
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> make it any less unfortunate, and IMO, hoping they DO get rejected is the |
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> wrong attitude to have. |
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I should've been clearer in my email, rather than a train-of-thought |
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approach... |
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1) For appearance's sake and to make our position better in outsiders' |
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view, I *HOPE* that eudev developers are co-operative in regards to |
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sharing patches with systemd/udev. |
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2) Given past history, I *EXPECT* at least some bugs to be "resolved" |
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by the systemd/udev developers as WONTFIX. It was their attitude that |
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led to eudev in the first place. |
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Here's a brief overview of why I think that eudev (or equivalant) is |
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necessary... |
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* Lennart Poettering wrote systemd |
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* systemd will not run on machines with a separate /usr, and no |
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initramfs. |
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* Some people say that's because systemd is broken. Lennart says that |
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machines systemd won't run on are broken. |
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* That's getting into "holy war" territory. If it had remained |
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strictly a Redhat-ism, we wouldn't be arguing the issue today. |
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* The udevd tarball got merged into the systemd tarball, in order to |
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"share common code". That's when the fruit of the cow-pasture hit |
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the fan. |
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* Inheriting code from from systemd meant inheriting any restrictions |
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that code had... e.g. not supporting separate /usr without initramfs |
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That's just now. What other systemd-related restrictions/dependancies |
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will be eventually rammed down the throats of non-users of systemd? |
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eudev is a "declaration of independance" for non-systemd users. |
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-- |
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Walter Dnes <waltdnes@××××××××.org> |
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I don't run "desktop environments"; I run useful applications |
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