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From: William Hubbs <williamh@g.o>
To: gentoo-dev@l.g.o
Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] rfc: oldnet scripts splitting out from OpenRC
Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2013 17:23:37
Message-Id: 20130424172323.GB2323@linux1
In Reply to: Re: [gentoo-dev] rfc: oldnet scripts splitting out from OpenRC by Ian Stakenvicius
1 On Wed, Apr 24, 2013 at 12:58:21PM -0400, Ian Stakenvicius wrote:
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5 > On 24/04/13 12:16 PM, William Hubbs wrote:
6 > > All,
7 > >
8 > > it has been suggested that gentoo's oldnet scripts be split out
9 > > into their own package separate from OpenRC so that they can be
10 > > developed independently. I am looking at doing this for OpenRC
11 > > 0.12, which I hope to release soon.
12 > >
13 > > This means when you emerge or upgrade to openrc-0.12, the net.*
14 > > scripts will no longer be included. I am going to call the separate
15 > > package that includes these scripts gentoo-oldnet.
16 > >
17 > > My plan is to write a newsitem when OpenRC 0.12 is released
18 > > telling users this and that they will have to emerge gentoo-oldnet
19 > > to get the gentoo networking scripts or turn on the newnet (maybe
20 > > I'll change this to net) use flag to get OpenRC's network scripts
21 > > installed and put ewarns in the ebuild if this use flag is turned
22 > > off.
23 > >
24 > > I feel that a newsitem and ewarns in the OpenRC ebuild cover live
25 > > systems well. In a nutshell, users should pay attention to their
26 > > news items and ewarns.
27 > >
28 > > On the other hand, some are suggesting that I should add a runtime
29 > > dependency to OpenRC so that it pulls in gentoo-oldnet. Since
30 > > OpenRC doesn't need gentoo-oldnet in order to run, I feel like this
31 > > would be abusing dependencies.
32 > >
33 > > Does anyone have any thoughts?
34 > >
35 > > William
36 > >
37 >
38 >
39 > Current users should be able to do a -uDN and still have their
40 > existing systems work as-is. Whether you do this via a static
41 > dependency or one controlled by a use flag (and be sure use flag
42 > defaults would have oldnet installed by default) is up to you.
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44 The issue is that OpenRC does not have any kind of dependency on
45 gentoo-oldnet at all. There will be a separate loopback script in OpenRC
46 so it is possible to run OpenRC on a system without the oldnet or
47 newnet scripts. In fact, this is a completely valid configuration.
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49 OpenRC doesn't "link" to gentoo-oldnet in any way, so there is no
50 dependency.
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52 The way I read the dev manual [1], a newsitem and postinst messages are
53 the way to go for somethinglike this.
54
55 William
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57 [1] http://devmanual.gentoo.org/general-concepts/use-flags/index.html

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Re: [gentoo-dev] rfc: oldnet scripts splitting out from OpenRC Mike Frysinger <vapier@g.o>