Re: [gentoo-dev] rfc: locations of binaries and separate /usr

[Olivier Crête]

On Thu, 2012-01-05 at 21:09 +0000, Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
> On Thu, 05 Jan 2012 16:02:09 -0500
> Olivier Crête <tester@g.o> wrote:
> > On Thu, 2012-01-05 at 20:08 +0000, Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
> > > On Thu, 5 Jan 2012 13:30:24 -0600
> > > William Hubbs <williamh@g.o> wrote:
> > > > > Or will /etc move to /usr too?
> > > >
> > > > No, /etc isn't going anywhere.
> > >
> > > Are you sure? I heard a rumour that systemd will soon require you to
> > > put /etc inside your initrd (since / can't be mounted without it).
> > > Obviously, you'd have to reboot if you made any changes to your
> > > config files, but that's OK since you can't safely restart daemons
> > > anyway.
> >
> > Dude, the systemd people are not crazy. You should try to understand
> > what they do before criticizing.
>
> I don't claim they're crazy. I claim they're sacrificing functionality,
> correctness, loose coupling, simplicity, well defined behaviour,
> understandability and stability in order to implement questionable new
> shiny things.

The only thing I see them sacrificing is loose coupling, they provide
more functionality than any other init system, more correctness
(seriously, did you ever read most init scripts out there?), more well
defined behavior (all systemd systems boot exactly the same), more
stability (I'll claim that Lennart's C is better than any of the
boot-time shell scripts I've seen) and well understandability depends
who much you can understand C. Probably a bit less understandable for
sysadmins, but since they can just play with config files, it's probably
easier to understand in the end (and much less prone to breaking than
mucking around shell scripts).

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Olivier Crête
tester@g.o
Gentoo Developer