Re: [gentoo-dev] Questions about SystemD and OpenRC

[Tomáš Pružina]

Not really, Linus has his own web of trust and he don't take stuff
from unknown sources, he has his liutennants and every single patch
and change must be reviewed by at least two other maintainers below
Linus.
After all, Linux does not belong to Linus and his branch is by
definition of distributed system no better than yours.
Exception being is that he generally makes right decisions and can be
reason with.
It would be much simpler to push _good_ feature into kernel than into
gentoo [imho].

@systemd:
I liked it in it's early stages but every month code gets more and
more bloated and for (to me) unknown reason it's slowing on my machine
every new version. It also did not deliver on promise of stability as
early scripts I wrote don't work with latest version.


On Thu, Aug 9, 2012 at 8:53 PM, Canek Peláez Valdés <caneko@×××××.com> wrote:
> On Thu, Aug 9, 2012 at 1:31 PM, William Hubbs <williamh@g.o> wrote:
>> On Thu, Aug 09, 2012 at 11:12:46AM -0700, Olivier Crête wrote:
>>> > Most ideas behind systemd are interesting, their current implementation
>>> > is sometimes completely wrong and given the experience with pulseaudio
>>> > we all know that they won't change even if you provide code for it.
>>>
>>> This is bullshit, if you have good reasoned arguments, Lennart is a very
>>> reasonable guy, but if you just say "your ideas are shit, you code is
>>> terrible", then yes, he'll just ignore you.
>>
>> Sorry to call you on this one, but that is not the experience I had.
>>
>> I proposed adding configure switches to their build system to accomodate
>> source base distros, such as gentoo, who at times want to use udev
>> without systemd. I even went out of the way to make sure that I didn't
>> change their default settings.
>>
>> Look at a thread on their ml called minimal builds along with their wiki
>> page on minimal builds for Lennart's answer. He even went so far as to
>> say that our package managers are broken, and there was absolutely no
>> negotiating this point. We are wrong as far as he is concerned.
>
> By the same reasoning, Linus is even a bigger asshole. In the kernel
> they flatly refuse to merge code from a LOT of people; that's their
> job in the end.
>
> I read the thread where you proposed the changes to systemd's build
> system. I wish it was accepted, but I also understand why they didn't.
> As I said in other threads, they really don't care for source based
> distros; and that sucks for Gentoo (and every other source based
> distro), but it's their call. And it certainly helps them to keep the
> build system simple, assuming that it would be used only by packagers
> for binary distros.
>
> That doesn't say anything about the design of systemd, which is why I
> use it; not because of the build system.
>
> Regards.
> --
> Canek Peláez Valdés
> Posgrado en Ciencia e Ingeniería de la Computación
> Universidad Nacional Autónoma de México
>