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From: expose@×××××××××××.net
To: gentoo-dev@l.g.o
Subject: [gentoo-dev] Re: Little respect towards Daniel please
Date: Mon, 05 Mar 2007 23:29:33
Message-Id: 200703060023.34413.expose@luftgetrock.net
In Reply to: Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Little respect towards Daniel please by Caleb Cushing
1 Dear List,
2
3 > > 1. Anyone who is impolite get's kicked off.
4 > Who defines 'impolite'? It's a cultural thing, and given that we have
5 > developers and users from all over the world, we span a lot of vastly
6 > different cultures.
7 I am aware of this issue, but it is not needed to solve it at once or
8 perfectly.
9 It would be a starting point to just define the usage of words commonly used
10 for personally attacking someone as impolite (for instance fuck, idiot and so
11 on).
12 The definition should not reference any culture or religion as a codex that is
13 to be followed, and I even think that wouldnt be needed, as the definition is
14 something that could be developed over time.
15 Just try to imagine a flame war without insults, without attacking
16 personally - would it work? I find it hard to imagine, which is why I suggest
17 this as a good point to start with.
18 Of course one could "flame" by constantly repeating the idea is bad because of
19 several facts. But this is where the 2nd rule is to be applied:
20
21 > > 2. Anyone who repeatedly and seemingly on purpose tries to harm the
22 > > discussion will be kicked off.
23 > And how do you judge whether someone is deliberately trying to harm the
24 > discussion or is just being careless with his wording or generally
25 > misguided?
26 If someone is careless with his wording or generally misguided that often,
27 that it feels like it is done deliberately for the rest, thus for the
28 majority, where is the difference? It annoys people.
29 Yet I of course agree, noone should be kicked for being misguided (being
30 careless can be switched off), and honestly i do not currently have a
31 solution to avoid kicking misguided people that on the other hand does not
32 allow abuse. I will tell you as soon as I have an idea, and until that is the
33 case, I'd like to quote what "Caleb Cushing" <xenoterracide@×××××.com> wrote:
34 > these are where warnings and apologies come in. plus I think only
35 > repeated behavior should result in permanent removal.
36 If you got to apologize and explain why you where misguided again and again,
37 you might head over to IRC and ask wether you understood it correctly, if
38 it's not on purpose, and if it is, you at least need alot more energy and you
39 have less flexibility of spreading you aggression, insults or whatever.
40
41
42 Sincerely,
43
44 Daniel
45
46
47 P.S.:
48 > It's nice to see someone pick up a good point and express it.
49 Good to know I am not the only one of that or a similar opinion.
50
51 Off-Topic at the end:
52 "Caleb Cushing" <xenoterracide@×××××.com> wrote:
53 > -- OFFTOPIC --
54 > --START FLAME --
55 > how can you write that long of a letter if you can't read and what
56 > does a physical illness have to do with reading?
57 > --END FLAME--
58 > sorry can't help myself.
59 well, think of a flu and pyrexia - at least I cannot really read a longer time
60 while having one, yet i can think relatively clear for a limited period of
61 time and thus write. Personal experiences may vary :-)
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