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On Wed, 24 Jul 2013 21:15:15 +0200 |
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Peter Stuge <peter@×××××.se> wrote: |
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> Ben Kohler wrote: |
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> > > I am suggesting that the latest available upstream kernel should |
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> > > perhaps be the default for Gentoo users. |
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> > You seem to be ignoring the regressions that often come with new |
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> > kernel releases, the very common breakage caused in stable |
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> > "genkernel all", and other various complications. Unleashing brand |
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> > new kernel.org sources on stable users as soon as they are released |
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> > seems crazy to me. |
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> I don't know, I think it makes a lot of sense.. |
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> Users who upgrade their kernels (don't upgrade if you don't want to) |
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> would be able to participate upstream with reports and confirmations. |
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It isn't a necessity to run the latest kernels to be supported, it |
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suffices to test them to see if they fix the situation or not. We look |
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at the fault ourselves, check newer kernels for fixes, bisect and |
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upstream stuff if it is out of our hand; For example with |
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https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=458746#c26 |
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we are contributing to upstream bug |
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https://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=55311#c40 |
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Of course users can do this outside of us; it's up to them, but they |
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should know we're always there to aid them in troubleshooting whereas |
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upstream might not always answer or follow through closely. |
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Just saying, there isn't anything that prohibits them; as long as their |
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version is listed on https://www.kernel.org/ they are fine. |
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> > These releases surely bring more than just "the newest fixes". |
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> It varies but sure, I think users should inform themselves about the |
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> new version (of any package!) before they actually upgrade it. |
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Some people do, some people don't; it's though to do this for every |
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package and every release, it also requires some basic knowledge of the |
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kernel to understand what is really going in the kernel world. |
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I agree they should inform themselves; also, we should probably also |
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point them at the right resources, maybe http://kernelnewbies.org/ |
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fits better than an incomprehensible git shortlog or changelog. |
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Will look at that in the near future; since some documentation |
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and project pages are moving to the Gentoo Wiki, it makes it more easy |
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and accessible to add useful resources for matters like these. |
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With kind regards, |
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Tom Wijsman (TomWij) |
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Gentoo Developer |
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E-mail address : TomWij@g.o |
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