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On Fri, 2007-03-30 at 19:35 +0100, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: |
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> On Fri, 30 Mar 2007 14:04:15 -0400 |
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> Mike Frysinger <vapier@g.o> wrote: |
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> > On Tuesday 27 March 2007, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: |
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> > > Do you acknowledge that Portage is a severe limiting factor when it |
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> > > comes to improving the Gentoo user experience as a whole? |
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> > |
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> > what a lame question ... rather than waste time on this, why dont we |
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> > get to some relevant issues ... |
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> |
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> Gentoo's lack of progress is an extremely relevant issue... |
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> |
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> > to start with, Paludis will never be an official package manager for |
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> > Gentoo so long as you are heavily involved. now that we've put a |
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> > bolt right between the eyes of that pink elephant, how about we |
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> > address some other things as well ... |
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> |
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> Ah, resorting to ad hominem. Is that the best you can manage? Is the |
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> best excuse you can provide to users for denying them the things they |
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> want and need "waah! ciaranm boogeyman!"? |
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> |
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> > since you're obviously going to complain about Gentoo's official |
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> > package manager so long as $pkgmgr != paludis without any intentions |
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> > of helping address limitations you raise (nor am i expecting you to), |
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> > why dont you do us all a favor and clamp it. constantly pointing out |
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> > that $pkgmgr sucks and $pkgmgr does not support xxx and $pkgmgr has |
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> > this limitation or that stupid design decision and that paludis is |
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> > the be all end all solution to our problems does not accomplish |
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> > anything ... it merely serves to piss us all off |
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> No no, I'd be quite happy with any package manager that meets my needs |
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> and the needs of other people. Portage is not such a package manager, |
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> and, let's face it, never will be. The continuing delusion that Portage |
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> will somehow magically improve and allow Gentoo to keep up with other |
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> distributions is largely why Gentoo is stuck where it is. |
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> > a good topic for the next council meeting i think would be to start |
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> > up a spec of requirements that a package manager must satisfy before |
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> > it'd be an official package manager for Gentoo ... off the top of my |
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> > head: |
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> > - the main developers need to be Gentoo developers |
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> > - source code hosted on Gentoo infrastructure |
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> > - compatible "emerge" and "ebuild" binaries |
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> As you know fine well, the Council has already rejected GLEP 49, which |
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> says more or less that. As you also know fine well, those requirements |
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> mean Gentoo will permanently be stuck with Portage (and when dreaming |
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> up silly and biased requirements, bear in mind that Portage was at one |
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> point close to being moved off Gentoo infrastructure because of the huge |
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> delays in setting up svn...). |
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> |
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> If you're looking for serious topics to discuss in this area, how about |
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> the following? |
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> "Is Portage severely limiting Gentoo's progress and future direction? |
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> What limits need to be removed in the next month, six months and year |
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> in order for Gentoo to get closer to its goal of providing 'near-ideal' |
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> tools and to regain its competitive edge? What steps can be taken to |
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> facilitate this?" |
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> |
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It seems as on topic to say it here as anywhere else. I like Portage. |
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I like it better than the Synaptic Package manager, yum, apt-get and |
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especially rpm. I feel like it delivers more functionality than all of |
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the package managers I just mentioned. It brought me to Gentoo. It |
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drove me away when I got frustrated with it once. But then it brought |
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me back again. I have used them all. Maybe I don't know the other |
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package managers well enough. But what do I know? |
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Larry |
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