Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentoo part II.

[Ralph F. De Witt]

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On Monday 14 July 2003 11:16 pm, Brandon Low wrote:
> I agree, we are at a crossroads, but I disagree about which of the many
> branches we should follow.  I think we have got the management thing
> about as big as it needs to be, if we go any further toward managing
> things, we're going to lose a lot of what many of us consider what is
> GOOD about Gentoo, the FUN, the excitement, the 'cool' factor of being
> able to SEE changes help users in almost real time without having to
> wade through bullshit to do it.
>
IMHO I agree.

[snip]
>
> We have the Gentoo Social Contract, that is the only guarantee that any
> users should really need, it ensures that if anyone feels that they need
> a different structure than what Gentoo currently offers they are free to
> fork without retribution, and to have a good tiem doing it.  To further
> constitutionalize ourselves and turn ourselves into a debian like
> monstrosity would not help us but rather hinder us  by alienating our
> most important asset: our users.  These are users who (I would guess)
> close to half run ~x86 bleeding edge sometimes broken apps because it is
> FUN.  These people have NO interest in politics or in the runnings of an
> OSS project, they just want to see their favorite apps, and the latest
> greatest toys on their desktops NOW, and they will not only help, but
> ENJOY helping to fix issues which come up.
>
IMHO I agree.

> > 2. Open voting
> >       At this point in time, there is no published ruleset for voting,
> > and there is no public record of voting results. There is also no offical
> > published method of calculating a voting quorum. Additionally, with
> > regard to the election of new managers, the vote is kept secret.
> >
> > In order for any democratic system that uses voting to be successful,
> > there *must* be accountability, concrete rules, and open results. How can
> > there possibly be accountability if the results of the vote are kept
> > completely secret? The find line between an oligarchy and a
> > representative democracy is voting accountability. The developers,
> > managers, and uses *must* know that the Gentoo voting process is secure
> > in its philosophy and practice.
> >
> > References:
> > http://www.debian.org/vote/ (Voting policy)
> > http://www.debian.org/vote/2002/vote_0001 (Sample voting results)
> > http://www.debian.org/vote/howto_vote (Sample voting ballot)
>
Who wants voting. I am more than happy filling a bugzilla request for a app or 
a bug fix and seeing it happen almost real time with out some voting 
processes and having to wait months if it get's enough votes etc. IMHO bad 
idea.

> Someone else said this, but WE ARE NOT A DEMOCRACY, we are a loosely
> conglomorated group of friends and associates with the common goal (and
> this is the only common goal we really have) of making Gentoo GREAT, and
> that is something I think we are all trying to do, but the problem is
> that tryin to turn Gentoo into some kind of socio/political funhouse
> ISN'T going allow the free and rapid development that we've been able to
> maintain thus far.
IMHO I agree.

  What has let Gentoo become great is that everyone
> has been completely free in their 'development time' to do whatever they
> feel they need to do to better the distro, yes that meant that many
> great projects that had a lot of hours in them got thrown out, but many
> others that may never have even been started if everyone was doing
> development tasks as assigned have become core aspects of our system.
Here Here. IMHO I agree.

Let us not turn Gentoo into a Meta Debian distribution. Lets stay near 
bleeding edge, quick fix time fun distribution. With a structure of our own 
design that works for us.
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	Ralph.
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