Re: [gentoo-dev] udev-ng? (Was: Summary Council meeting Tuesday 13 November 2012)

[Walter Dnes]

On Sat, Nov 17, 2012 at 11:52:22PM -0800, Greg KH wrote
>
> Yes, I know all about the firmware issue with media drivers.  It's now
> resolved and fixed, in two different ways (the kernel now loads firmware
> directly, and on older kernels, udev has fixed the issue.)  So that's no
> longer an issue for anyone.

  The fact that they went ahead with changes, knowing full well it would
break stuff, is reason enough to distrust them in future.  It should not
require a rant from Linus, or a workaround in the kernel, to get them to
fix their bugs.

> It's also a pretty simple set of patches that Gentoo can keep around
> if it's really a serious issue for people.

  That may be true today.  But as udev gets more tightly integrated into
systemd, those patches will become a "dead end", to use Lennart's words.

> Note, a separate /usr has been broken for a while now, udev is just
> pointing the issue out.  And again, if you want a separate /usr, just
> use an initrd, the solution is simple.

  ????  I have 4 "broken" Gentoo systems running just fine, without an
initrd, thank you.  There have always been a few edge-case setups that
won't work with a separate /usr, without an initrd.  What annoys me is
this dog-in-the-manger attitude that if a separate /usr is broken for a
few people, then by golly, it should be broken for everybody.

> The fact that Gentoo is alone in wanting to build udev, without systemd
> dependencies being on the system, is something that if I were the
> systemd maintainer, I would reject.

  There is obviously no point in us continuing this debate.  You are in
favour of systemd, I am not.

-- 
Walter Dnes <waltdnes@××××××××.org>
We are apparently better off trying to avoid udev like the plague.
Linus Torvalds; 2012/10/03 https://lkml.org/lkml/2012/10/3/349