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From: "Michał Górny" <mgorny@g.o>
To: gentoo-dev@l.g.o
Cc: lanthruster@×××××.com
Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Question, Portage QOS v3
Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2014 21:39:50
In Reply to: [gentoo-dev] Question, Portage QOS v3 by Igor
1 Dnia 2014-01-10, o godz. 21:26:47
2 Igor <lanthruster@×××××.com> napisał(a):
4 > As there are more questions rose. See you can't just think of everything,
5 > what you need is an ability to improve fast :-)
7 A starting note:
9 You've started *four* threads on the same subject *today* already.
10 As a result, the whole discussion is shattered all over the place
11 and if someone really wants to know all the details, he has to lose
12 *a lot of time* reading all the individual threads and trying to
13 compare and assemble.
15 Please don't do that. Just start a single thread, and try to keep
16 that discussion on subject.
18 > In project like that I can't rush to programming it without
19 > everyone's approval. This part of the project should have been
20 > implemented with the first portage version by it's creator. But as
21 > I'm not this person I'll need the expertise of the whole community.
23 I don't know what kind of approval do you expect. I don't think Gentoo
24 ever was much about 'officially approved', and I doubt we can give you
25 any meaningful answer without prior testing.
27 If you think it will be beneficial, start working on it. Once you get
28 it working and we can see how it works, we can consider making it
29 official.
31 However, I'm afraid many of Gentoo users will not be interested in
32 participating, or only interested in partial participation. What you're
33 suggesting implies sending a lot of potentially private information.
35 Many of our users will be concerned by that. I can't imagine it being
36 any other way than opt-in. Then, many of our users will simply not
37 care. As someone in the thread already noted, many of our users don't
38 care about linuxcounter. Do you think they will actually care about
39 your project?
41 Not that I'm against it. I'm just trying to be realistic here. To
42 convince Gentoo users, you have to really convince them that their
43 privacy will be respected and they will be able to make most of it
44 having to submit the least amount of data.
46 This also implies that the output has to be really useful. But that's
47 an entirely different topic that can't be answered without more
48 thorough thinking.
50 > Let's agree on following - I'll design the system in details on paper
51 > but no code will be produced at this stage.
52 >
53 > When it's ready (~ 1.5 months) I'll get back here and share the design
54 > sketches with you.
56 To be honest, I think ~1.5 month of paperwork sounds like serious
57 overcomplexity. Please also remember that we're very limited on time,
58 and work of ~1.5 month sounds like something we won't be able to read.
60 Please try to think in smaller parts. Small, useful tools that could be
61 integrated in the future to provide a better experience.
63 Also, please try to look for other Gentoo projects that worked on
64 similar topics, gentoostats for example. You may make use of some of
65 the past experiences.
67 --
68 Best regards,
69 Michał Górny


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