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This whole conversation has gotten out of hand. Step back and realize that a |
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massive portion of gentoo's userbase wants/needs dhcp. It's a big thing. |
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If you really want to *strip* gentoo, get rid of wget. WTF is wget doing in by |
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default?? |
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The reason is, wget is needed by portage. For many users, dhcp is needed as |
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well. If I can't connect to the net, I can't emerge dhcpcd to get on the net. |
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Circular dependencies suck. |
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What about python?? I hate python! |
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fbset?? Framebuffers suck! |
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nano?? I fucking hate nano, it frustrates the hell out of me! |
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modutils?? I haven't used modules since 1998! |
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hdparm?? I don't even HAVE a hard disk on my PXEBOOT! |
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slocate?? I've never used the locate database, my telepathy tells me where |
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files are! |
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There is a usability/space tradeoff for all of this. IMO, let's remove |
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framebuffers, slocate, modutils, and hdparm from system, and THEN there might |
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be a good enough argument to seriously justify leaving out dhcpcd. For now, |
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this is a pitifully small thing which is waayyy too valuable to have around. |
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Is our goal just to be able to boot, or do we want to be able to boot and do |
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something? |
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At the very least, let's make it a USE flag that is on by default. That way, |
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all of the "hardcore" users can strip out that whopping 62k that dhcpcd and |
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all of it's related documentation take up by putting -dhcp in their |
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make.conf. I think it's ridiculous, but i'm an advocate of flexibility. |
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If we have 1000 use flags, 1000 more can't hurt, right? |
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Mark Dierolf |
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On Tuesday 28 September 2004 8:16 am, Mike Frysinger wrote: |
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> On Tuesday 28 September 2004 11:08 am, Donnie Berkholz wrote: |
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> > On Tue, 2004-09-28 at 07:32, Allen Parker wrote: |
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> > > If you think that removing dhcpcd pisses *you* off... perhaps you can |
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> > > explain why there aren't any ftp/http clients on the livecds? |
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> > > *someone* thought it would be a good idea... hence... i've been |
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> > > "cooking" my own livecds with actual useful stuff on them... ncftp, |
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> > > elinks, NO dhcpcd, |
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> > Really? lynx/links and wget have always worked for me from the LiveCDs. |
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> yes, but when you think 'i want to connect to this ftp site and grab a few |
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> things', you think 'ftp client' |
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> wget sucks because you have to type it all out by heart, lynx works ok as a |
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> replacment ... but really i'd prefer a good ftp client (ncftp is really |
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> nice, but very quirky and not totally intuitive to first time users) |
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> -mike |
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