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Corey Shields posted <200511182018.24457.cshields@g.o>, excerpted |
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below, on Fri, 18 Nov 2005 20:18:24 -0800: |
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> On Friday 18 November 2005 08:02 pm, George Prowse wrote: |
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>> Of course, by being restrictive to the people who wish to help long-term |
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>> that is the greatest benefit to gentoo. If the @g.o email addresses are a |
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>> problem then the subdomain @staff.g.o has been suggested. The staff |
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>> subdomain would contain almost all relevant other domains. If in the |
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>> unlikely event that somone proposes a subdomain to gentoo that couldn't be |
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>> considered 'staff' or 'developer' then that can be considered at a later |
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>> date. |
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> I would consider such a silly proposal as the staff.gentoo.org subdomain |
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> addresses as "unlikely", so I'm just trying to think ahead.. |
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OK, just picking the end of a random stair-step to tack on my viewpoint |
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and a bit of a summary from that viewpoint. |
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1) From what I've read, the idea of "staff" is a settled question. Infra |
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and other "staff" have @gentoo.org addresses and that's not up for debate. |
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It will continue to be that way. |
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2) The debate at the first council meeting reflected some concern about |
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AT/HTs getting "normal" @gentoo.org addresses, because a level of |
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commitment and discernment hasn't yet been fully proven. |
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3) That was resolved with the subdomain idea, which has now passed the |
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council (regardless of the circumstances and nil chance of something |
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similar happening again). |
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4) The problem is that the subdomain hasn't been specified, as there |
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wasn't really time to hash that out, so now we are doing that. Note, |
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however, that the decision that it /will/ be a subdomain has already been |
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made (unless someone's demanding that it be revoked, and I don't read the |
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discussion as getting to that point, yet). |
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5) Whatever the issue with staff vs. developers, that's a different, and |
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as mentioned in (1) basically settled issue, for better or for worse. The |
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idea here is that AT/HTs aren't even at the level of regular "staff", so |
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again, it's a different issue. |
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6) What AT/HTs are, as someone mentioned, are "gold star" users, if we |
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want to call them that. They are recognized as being quite useful to the |
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arch/herd, and as potential devs sometime in the future, should they wish |
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to pursue it and things work out, but there's a hesitance to give them |
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the full blessing yet, because they haven't proven themselves yet (and |
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regardless, some don't want it yet, or possibly ever). |
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7) Of course, "gold star" seems a bit childish, which I get the feeling |
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was the reason it was chosen, to drive home the viewpoint of the poster |
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that the whole idea IS childish. (Never-the-less, there's perhaps an |
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"adult" version of the same thing, see my proposal below.) |
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8) Infra has expressed reluctance, and asks the question if we accept this |
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one, where might it end? Legitimate question, but AFAICT, the question is |
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no longer whether this is a good idea or not as it's already been decided |
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to go ahead, but rather one of implementation, once the subdomain is |
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settled upon. |
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Now my thoughts, as one intending to become an AT at some point |
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and maybe, over an extended period, become a dev. (Yes, I'm sure Homer's |
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getting impatient with me, but what can I say, but my style is slow and |
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steady, but I'm not about to go elsewhere, either, so...) |
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a) I don't care one way or the other about a Gentoo address. As someone |
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else said, I've got enough addresses already. However, from what I've |
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read into the various discussions, the one's pushing for this, as the ones |
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pushing AT in the first place, have found that a gentoo.org label could at |
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times lessen the confusion. The subdomain would clarify things both from |
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the not-developer side, and from the recognized tester side, allowing new |
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ATs and devs to track the status on sight, with easy verification if |
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necessary. Thus, from my viewpoint, as received, this would seem to be a |
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convenience for the devs (including "staff") as much as for the AT/HTs. |
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b) With particularly points (3), (6) and (8) in mind, viewed thru the |
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filter of (7), it would appear to me that the best solution at this point |
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would be something denoting "junior" status, clearly lower than /either/ |
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"staff" or "devs", as AT/HTs haven't yet proved themselves, something |
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that both staff and devs arguably have already done. At the same time, it |
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needs to be generic enough to be reused for other potential "junior" cases |
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in the future, thereby limiting the damage, from infra's perspective, to |
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the two domains (since the council already decided a subdomain was |
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necessary, just not which one, so it's really too late to argue that, |
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unless someone wants to do another GLEP recinding this one, with all the |
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politics /that/ would mean, just not a good idea IMO). |
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c) That lays out the requirements (and discussion to this point) as I see |
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them (and it). Assuming I'm viewing things correctly, then, the question |
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now becomes "What term clearly denotes junior status, without sounding |
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childish?" Put another way, "What's the generally accepted "adult" |
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term for student or trainee or junior member or "gold star earner"? |
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d) The best answer I can come up with is "intern", therefore, |
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"@intern.gentoo.org" (or @internee.gentoo.org, or...). AFAIK, that's |
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non-demeaning, yet clearly denotes the position as a one expected to do a |
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/lot/ of work, but still under serious supervision and without the |
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authority to make any heavy decisions without going thru someone else |
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first. |
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This proposal is of course recognizing that I might at some point have |
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such and address myself... I'd be comfortable with it -- actually more so |
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that with a full gentoo address, until such time (if ever) that I become |
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a full dev, of course. |
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Thoughts? Strong disagreements? Agreement? Points I overlooked? A |
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better suggestion? Go to it! |
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Duncan - List replies preferred. No HTML msgs. |
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"Every nonfree program has a lord, a master -- |
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and if you use the program, he is your master." Richard Stallman in |
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http://www.linuxdevcenter.com/pub/a/linux/2004/12/22/rms_interview.html |
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