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On Wednesday 24 April 2013 13:54:07 William Hubbs wrote: |
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> On Wed, Apr 24, 2013 at 01:34:36PM -0400, Mike Frysinger wrote: |
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> > On Wednesday 24 April 2013 13:23:23 William Hubbs wrote: |
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> > > The issue is that OpenRC does not have any kind of dependency on |
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> > > gentoo-oldnet at all. There will be a separate loopback script in |
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> > > OpenRC so it is possible to run OpenRC on a system without the oldnet |
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> > > or newnet scripts. In fact, this is a completely valid configuration. |
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> > > OpenRC doesn't "link" to gentoo-oldnet in any way, so there is no |
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> > > dependency. |
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> > > |
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> > > The way I read the dev manual [1], a newsitem and postinst messages are |
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> > > the way to go for somethinglike this. |
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> > it is reasonable to expect openrc updates to *not* break a system. that |
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> > means people shouldn't be required to read a news/postinst message to |
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> > keep from killing things. |
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> > even then, a default Gentoo system should have networking support |
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> > available by default. our manuals assume this, and people shouldn't |
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> > have to install a stage3 and then do `emerge gentoo-oldnet` just to have |
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> > that happen. so keeping a dependency in openrc (perhaps initially hard, |
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> > or behind IUSE=+oldnet) makes sense. |
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> I was planning on opening a bug before all of this hit stable to have |
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> releng add gentoo-oldnet to the stages when it does hit stable. |
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"adding to the stages" isn't a magic incantation :). it's either part of |
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@system, or it's a dependency in a package that is part of @system. i don't |
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think adding it straight to @system makes sense, and i don't think there's |
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really an existing dependency other than openrc where this would be |
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appropriate. |
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> if we keep a dependency for a while, even behind something like |
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> IUSE="+oldnet", when we drop it, people will still be hit if they do |
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> emerge --depclean before they emerge gentoo-oldnet. |
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i don't think we should drop it. openrc is logically the best place imo. |
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i understand your position that openrc works just fine w/out these scripts. |
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but i don't think that pure logical distinction is really necessary here. if |
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people really truly don't want it, they have a USE flag to turn it off. |
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-mike |
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