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From: Chris Gianelloni <wolf31o2@g.o>
To: gentoo-dev@l.g.o
Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Paludis and Profiles
Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 18:31:48
Message-Id: 1147889572.16876.60.camel@cgianelloni.nuvox.net
In Reply to: Re: [gentoo-dev] Paludis and Profiles by Ciaran McCreesh
1 On Wed, 2006-05-17 at 17:29 +0100, Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
2 > On Wed, 17 May 2006 12:05:23 -0400 Chris Gianelloni
3 > <wolf31o2@g.o> wrote:
4 > | We ship .tbz2 files on our GRP release media.
5 > |
6 > | Until we either:
7 > |
8 > | a) stop shipping .tbz2 files
9 > |
10 > | -or-
11 > |
12 > | b) switch to paludis support only
13 >
14 > Which is a rather large difference from what you said originally. It's
15
16 No. It isn't. I said that it can not build a Gentoo release, and
17 paludis can not.[1] Are you trying to tell me that I am wrong and that
18 paludis *can* build a Gentoo release? I'm really interested to hear
19 what magic you have used to distort reality to make this possible.
20
21 > also utterly untrue, given how easy it would be to do installs the
22 > non-stage-based way using Paludis. That's one of the many reasons we're
23 > not going to be using the tbz2 format.
24
25 What you said has *no* bearing *whatsoever* on whether or not paludis
26 can build a Gentoo release.
27
28 Are you really going to insist on trying this approach with this
29 conversation? I say that paludis can not be used to build a Gentoo
30 release, and your answer is that it would be easy to *not* build a
31 Gentoo release? Huh?
32
33 I'm sorry, but what the hell does that have to do with *anything* that I
34 am saying?
35
36 How about I make this a bit more directed, then?
37
38 #1. Can paludis work with catalyst?
39 #2. Can paludis build all of the release materials required by the
40 Release Engineering release guidelines?
41 #3. Can paludis build a portage-compatible VDB that can be used by the
42 Gentoo Linux Installer?
43
44 If it can not do *any* of these three things, then it CAN NOT build a
45 Gentoo release. There's no smooth talking or circular reasoning way
46 around this simple FACT.
47
48 All that you have succeeded in doing is alienating me from this
49 discussion by completely ignoring everything that I have been saying to
50 try to push... whatever it is that you're trying to push... as fact.
51 I'm sorry, but you've lost any support that you might have had from me
52 on this simply by your refusal to even speak on the topics which I have
53 brought up. I really don't understand how ignoring points brought up
54 that would help facilitate something that you want does anything to
55 further your goals, but that seems to be your way of thinking.
56
57 Good day.
58
59 [1] http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/releng/docs/release_guidelines.xml
60
61 --
62 Chris Gianelloni
63 Release Engineering - Strategic Lead
64 x86 Architecture Team
65 Games - Developer
66 Gentoo Linux

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