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From: Rich Freeman <rich0@g.o>
To: gentoo-dev <gentoo-dev@l.g.o>
Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Developers, please work on underlinking issues!
Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2016 07:49:43
In Reply to: Re: [gentoo-dev] Developers, please work on underlinking issues! by "Michał Górny"
1 On Fri, Aug 19, 2016 at 12:58 AM, Michał Górny <mgorny@g.o> wrote:
2 > On Thu, 18 Aug 2016 15:21:16 +0200
3 > Alexis Ballier <aballier@g.o> wrote:
4 >
5 >> On Thu, 18 Aug 2016 08:13:14 -0400
6 >> Rich Freeman <rich0@g.o> wrote:
7 >>
8 >> > If you just check your packages occassionally to make sure they build
9 >> > with gold it completely achieves the goal, and it will actually result
10 >> > in fewer bugs using the non-gold linker as well.
11 >>
12 >> That's what a tinderbox is for. The only QA problem I see here is that
13 >> QA doesn't automate that kind of checks anymore since Diego left. Maybe
14 >> QA should ask Toralf to run a tinderbox and avoid asking people
15 >> to randomly test random packages ?
16 >
17 > Yes, tinderboxing makes a lot of sense if the bugs are afterwards
18 > ignored by package maintainers. Or in the best case, the maintainer
19 > tells reporter (Toralf) to file the bug upstream.
20 >
22 TBH, these are really two different problems.
24 1. I think raising awareness of underlinking is good.
26 2. I think encouraging developers to test their own packages with the
27 gold linker is good, because it helps accomplish #1, and increases
28 their awareness in general.
30 3. I think that having a tinderbox systematically testing using the
31 gold linker is also good.
33 4. I think that hitting devs with a cluebat when they ignore valid
34 bugs is good.
36 The flip side of this is that we're not necessarily better off if
37 maintainers just abandon packages because they have terrible build
38 systems. At some point you need to work with them. However, if
39 they're not willing to at least stick in a slot operator dependency
40 when asked to, then sure we should have a talk with them. (A slot op
41 dep will of course help by triggering rebuilds, but it doesn't
42 actually directly fix the underlinking issue, which would require
43 fixing the build system.)
45 I think the big thing is acknowledging that packages that are missing
46 dependencies or which are underlinked are defective. Sure, it would
47 be nice if somebody else came along and helped find our mistakes.
48 However, that in itself doesn't excuse us from having made them in the
49 first place. And it certainly doesn't excuse giving people a hard
50 time when they politely point them out.
52 --
53 Rich


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