Re: [gentoo-dev] Changing order of default virtual/udev provider

[Brian Dolbec]

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On Mon, 8 Feb 2016 12:01:33 -0500

Ian Stakenvicius <axs@g.o> wrote:



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> On 08/02/16 11:18 AM, Rich Freeman wrote:
> > However, I think we're actually missing the bigger issue here.
> > Why is this virtual even in @system to begin with?  When I set up
> > a chroot or some kinds of containers I don't need udev, or
> > sysvinit (or openssh - but let's set that one aside for now).
> >
> > We don't stick grub or genkernel or even gentoo-sources in our
> > stage3s.  Why stick (e)udev in there?
> >
> > It seems like this should just be another step in the handbook -
> > pick your desired device manager.
> >
> > Obviously if we produce a boot CD it will need a device manager
> > (and kernel and bootloader and network manager), and I don't care
> > which one it is.
> >
> > This just seems more like the Gentoo way, and it completely
> > sidesteps all the controversy over defaults.  We're already
> > working on fixing the few remaining functions.sh references so
> > that openrc can be removed from the system set as well.
> >
>
> I thought the point of this discussion had to do mostly with what
> udev variant gets installed when a user doesn't specify one.  And
> AFAIK, since there are still plenty of packages that *DEPEND on
> virtual/udev , the discussion's still worth having isn't it?
>
> Besides, if we just move the goal of this discussion from "order of
> atoms in virtual/udev" to "order of items in this new Handbook
> page", we still need to decide what the default is don't we?




Yes, we do.



Also, it is releng's intention to change to a stage4 for normal new

install stages.  It will contain the most needed pkgs for new installs,

and allow the @system set to be trimmed down more.  It is entirely

possible, to at that point, then create smaller chroot/container images

without undue hardships and complexities for new installs.



But please let's not sidetrack this thread more with this tangent.

That's a different bikeshed to paint.







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Brian Dolbec <dolsen>



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