Gentoo Archives: gentoo-dev

From: Alon Bar-Lev <alonbl@g.o>
To: gentoo-dev@l.g.o, gentoo-core <gentoo-core@l.g.o>
Subject: [gentoo-dev] Goodbye
Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 06:33:25
1 Hello,
3 I guess I am tired of fighting with people here. I am too old for this crap.
5 There are few brutal developers here that make Gentoo a terrible place
6 to be. Well... I can handle few developers, but when devrel enters the
7 picture with arguments such as "volunteers can do crappy job as long
8 as they have fun" enough is enough.
10 I signed-up to work on distribution if I have fun in the process it is
11 great! But always keep in mind the delivery I provide to users.
13 Gentoo has some fundamental issues, the obvious one is lack of
14 leadership. There is *NOBODY* that formally responsible or cares about
15 the delivery Gentoo (AS A WHOLE) provide to its users. The council is
16 just a political body that discuss the void issues.
18 As a result the laud and brutal developers dictate the tune. With no
19 proper mechanism to decide if a decision that was taken aligns with
20 Gentoo goals.
22 The devrel process is ridiculous, as proxy between developers without
23 ability to determine anything does not help anyone.
25 During the short time I was around Gentoo lost some of the best
26 developers that were around, due to similar reasons.
28 If Gentoo community cannot provide its own goals, at least it should
29 embrace standards. Compliant to standards may resolve many conflicts.
30 Roy worked hard to make Gentoo POSIX shell compliant, but this was not
31 accepted, but imagine fully Gentoo work with busybox based system,
32 isn't this an advantage we have? especially on small systems. I
33 appreciate flameeyes work on reducing the system size, I am aware how
34 hard it is. There are new violations of HFS in Gentoo, but nobody
35 cares.
37 Jacub, one of the best developers around that actually cared about the
38 service we provide to our users was suspended while trying to do so,
39 and now he is not active anymore.
41 There are some more examples... The brutal developers remain, the quiet leave.
43 Gentoo is built on a lot of inexperienced students, but the backbone
44 of core developers with real-life experience is very weak. I think
45 that current approach of the developers community will not able to
46 resolve this, as a result Gentoo community will not mature.
48 Gentoo has a great piece of technology (portage), this is unique and
49 with the right leadership may be the tool to make Gentoo more stable
50 and popular, as a result extending the user community and gain more
51 resources. But leadership derives goals, goals derive complaint,
52 complaint derives means of enforcement. None of these currently
53 available in the community.
55 Personal note on leadership: vapier - you are good, so good that many
56 envy you. But this does not give you the right to not being nice. You
57 are on of the few people here that can take at least partially resolve
58 the leadership issue. With a little patience and care. (Just to make
59 it clear: I am not leaving because of vapier).
61 Packages to reassign:
63 mobile:
64 dev-libs/libx86
65 sys-power/suspend
66 sys-power/hibernate-script
68 antivirus
69 ./sys-fs/dazuko
71 misc:
72 net-misc/openvpn
73 media-sound/mp3unicode
75 I am available at email:alon.barlev@×××××.com
77 Have fun,
78 Alon.
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