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On 04/06/14 01:49, Alan McKinnon wrote: |
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> On 04/06/2014 00:32, Tom Wijsman wrote: |
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>> On Tue, 03 Jun 2014 22:24:11 +0200 |
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>> Alan McKinnon <alan.mckinnon@×××××.com> wrote: |
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>>> The point is, human communication is vastly more powerful |
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>> +1 |
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>> It might not be clear in the moment, because it looks like a ton of |
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>> bikeshedding and other ways some individuals would label this; but it |
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>> will be useful some time from now, when it leads to useful results. |
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>> Having some people talk about things on a chat, forum, blog, ... might |
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>> have a short lived effect now with an occasional spike in the future; |
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>> but, a news item reaches a much wider public for a much longer item. |
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>> Let's say someone upgrades his system in some weeks / months from now, |
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>> that person will be thankful that a news item was written about this; |
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>> instead of having this be part of the already though job of updating. |
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>> Of course, there is a thing like "too much handholding" but I think |
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>> that's not the case here as the upower case pops up in a lot of places; |
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>> one does not have to forget that there is also "too little handholding". |
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>> If it weren't for genkernel or a kernel seed to help me start out with |
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>> a booting system, I perhaps might have never started using Gentoo; I've |
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>> afterwards managed to change my config over time to look nowhere near |
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>> the original, but at least it makes me happy to have experienced the |
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>> handholding to bring me where I am today. These "little things" matter. |
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> Indeed. It really comes down to a judgement call whether to compose a |
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> news item or not. |
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> I myself in my sysadmin day job get this right about 50% of the time if |
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> I'm lucky. I've learned (via hard knocks) that if a number of people |
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> raise concerns, then it very well might not be bikeshedding, it might be |
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> valid. Often as the BOFH I'm too close to the technical problem to |
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> notice the human elements - that needs a view from 10 feet back. |
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> News items are probably one of Gentoo's best ideas ever. |
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I agree, and I'm using news items actively (everyone remembers my udev |
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related news items you have gotten on every major change, even on |
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quite small things like configuration filename changes) |
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All I'm saying is that instructions for simple emerge commands is going |
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overboard |
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As in, don't you think I've considered, as a active GLEP 42 user, if there |
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was a need for one this time? I weighted my options for 3 months before |
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acting, and people actually agreed with me it wasn't necessary at this |
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time. I'm really suprised about this, how small group of loud people |
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on ML can have this kind of effect. It's like, pick a $package_name, |
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raise enough noise on ML about it, get a news item saying 'emerge <this>' |
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I'm just expecting more from our users. I don't think the news items |
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were ever designed for simplistic things like this. |
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- Samuli |