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From: Roy Bamford <neddyseagoon@g.o>
To: gentoo-dev@l.g.o
Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-core] My turn to wear the cursed medalion of retirement
Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2007 07:10:48
Message-Id: 1174345205l.6877l.1l@spike
In Reply to: Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-core] My turn to wear the cursed medalion of retirement by Alexandre Buisse
1 On 2007.03.19 20:57, Alexandre Buisse wrote:
2 > On Mon, Mar 19, 2007 at 21:34:09 +0100, Roy Bamford wrote:
3 >
4 > > On 2007.03.19 00:10, Alexandre Buisse wrote:
5 > > >Hi,
6 > > [snip resignation]
7 > > >
8 > >
9 > > Alexandre,
10 > >
11 > > We have not worked together and have only spoken briefly on
12 > IRC. >OSS is a kind of anarchy, you only get what you fight for.
13 >
14 > Yes, and it's probably one of the reasons I like it so much. But your
15 > work also depends on other people, and the community is far from
16 > being anarchist (so far at least :)).
17
18 That depends on the scale you examine 'the community' at. When you work
19 on a project with a small number of other developers, the work share
20 and bureaucracy may well happen without any thought, as 'the community'
21 gets bigger, the need for formal structure, rules and all that goes
22 with it arises. There have been several excellent posts on that aspect
23 of communities, so I won't repeat them.
24 >
25 >
26 > > Your post contains a lot of good ideas, even though it comes over as
27 > as
28 > > words from a weary solider.
29 > >
30 > > Have a rest from Gentoo but please come back and fight for your
31 > corner.
32 > > By leaving, you reduce the numbers that share your ideals.
33 >
34 > That's true, but I also expect a certain amount of fun for something
35 > I do on a voluntary basis. If I spend all my time fighting, even for
36 > ideas that I think are good, I expect it to quickly become a pain for
37 > me as well as for others who do not share my views.
38 Yes! the fun element is essential.
39
40 > Besides, I also respect that other people can have different opinions
41 > on those matters and if I'm more or less alone to think in some way,
42 > I shouldn't try to force people to my views.
43 Not force, that wasn't what I intended to express. More persuade. By
44 sharing your ideas with 'the community' at some scale, and opening them
45 to constructive criticism so that they can be used as a stepping stones
46 to something better than the original idea. Newton summed it up well
47 with his "If I see further than other men, it it because I stand on the
48 shoulders of giants"
49
50 [snip]
51
52 I think that part of the problem is the form that criticism can take.
53 Giving criticism without giving offense is very difficult, even within
54 a single culture and Gentoo has the difficulty of being multi-cultural
55 too.
56
57 Anyway, Good luck for the future, regardless of yor eventual decision.
58
59 Regards,
60
61 Roy Bamford,
62 (NeddySeagoon)
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