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From: Donnie Berkholz <dberkholz@g.o>
To: gentoo-dev@l.g.o
Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] obs eclasses
Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2011 16:42:14
Message-Id: 20110913164100.GH31178@comet
In Reply to: Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] obs eclasses by Patrick Lauer
1 On 17:58 Tue 13 Sep , Patrick Lauer wrote:
2 > On 09/13/11 16:44, Donnie Berkholz wrote:
3 > > It's because people want to pretend that it's possible for
4 > > incredibly outdated systems (those with bash-3 only) to be updated.
5 >
6 > Actually it's worse - PMS enforces this, and the only clean way out is
7 > to patch/fix/extend PMS to allow bash4 - but that breaks compatibility
8 > in silly ways.
9 >
10 > The proper way to handle that? I'm not sure, since we had a long fight
11 > to get PMS to acknowledge bash 3.2 instead of 3.0 I'm mostly ignoring
12 > PMS as it doesn't care about reality.
13
14 Thanks for the reminder; I looked, and it turns out that we now have a
15 great precedent. Quoting PMS:
16
17 "The required bash version was retroactively updated from 3.0 to 3.2 in
18 November 2009 (see http://www.gentoo.
19 org/proj/en/council/meeting-logs/20091109.txt)."
20
21 So we could just retroactively update it again and let people scream if
22 they're actually affected by this.
23
24 > > We're stuck in this limbo because "we" have apparently decided that
25 > > just waiting a year, as we used to do, isn't good enough anymore;
26 > > but at the same time, we don't have a better mechanism in place yet.
27 > > So we're waffling around, doing nothing.
28 >
29 > That's not quite correct for this case, but it shows that we need to
30 > discuss destructive changes (in the sense that they are not
31 > backwards-compatible etc.) to have any decent progress
32
33 Maybe a way to set tree-level dependencies/EAPIs/features is something
34 we seriously need to get going on.
35
36 --
37 Thanks,
38 Donnie
39
40 Donnie Berkholz
41 Council Member / Sr. Developer
42 Gentoo Linux
43 Blog: http://dberkholz.com

Replies

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Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] obs eclasses Ulrich Mueller <ulm@g.o>
Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] obs eclasses Ciaran McCreesh <ciaran.mccreesh@××××××××××.com>