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Wiktor Wandachowicz wrote: |
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>> If the users are too lazy to read the documentation, why should we care |
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>> about them? |
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> Because we risk that Gentoo may receive the "user-UN-friendly" label and |
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> become irrelevant in the long run? I know it ain't gonna happen, but still. |
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Well, that might be the case, but then, do we really care? I'm more than |
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glad if people who are too lazy to read the docs don't bugger me with |
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their issues which they could easily avoid if they'd have read the docs. |
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> You OTOH bring to the table a fact that developers shouldn't be that much |
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> concerned with the stabilization/testing of packages before new release of |
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> installation media. But new releases *ARE* targeted specifically at new users |
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> and it's them who suffer the most. Next to it is the reputation of Gentoo and |
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> its developers. Edgar's call was targeted mostly at releng and QA teams, who |
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> should poke developers to decrease number of similar problems. |
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I never said that, and I don't mean it either. We are concerned about |
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testing, but we can only do as much as human can do. Gentoo gives you |
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much flexibility. We can workaround the issue by masking the |
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accessibility flag for example, but that wouldn't be all that great, |
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because it only hides the problem, and it doesn't help those disabled |
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people either. |
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> I maintain a bunch of Debian/sparc, Debian/i386, Gentoo/amd64, Gentoo/x86, |
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> Solaris/sparc, Ubuntu/i686 boxes and mind you, out-of-box experience at |
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> install time means A LOT. |
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I know that. The first Gentoo CD I threw away just after booting it |
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because I couldn't figure out how to launch the setup app. "Wow, what a |
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crappy shit." I thought. Seriously, I don't want such people to use the |
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distro. It's not the right one for them. |
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(On a sidenote, should be quite obvious that in a second try I did |
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figure out how to install Gentoo and kind of changed my mind ;)) |
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> More respect to the users => more respect to Gentoo. |
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I'm not sure how to parse that, but in case you mean that Gentoo gets |
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more popular when we make the out-of-the-box-experience better, then I |
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agree. I do not agree that this is something I want, though, because to |
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achieve that you either need a) much more resources or b) drop some of |
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the flexibility we offer. a) is hard to get and b) sucks. I'd rather |
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have other people think Gentoo is a bad distro but be happy with it |
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myself. Yes, I am a selfish pig. |
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Kind Regards, |
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Simon Stelling |
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Gentoo/AMD64 developer |
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