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On Sun, Nov 18, 2012 at 08:13:55PM -0500, Walter Dnes wrote: |
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> On Sun, Nov 18, 2012 at 01:51:14AM -0600, Canek Pel??ez Vald??s wrote |
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> > |
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> > "... systemd is a cross-distro project: every major and many, many |
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> > minor distros have had people contributing to systemd. last i heard |
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> > even two debian devs have commit access to the repo, among many |
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> > others. systemd upstream is very accommodating of different needs and |
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> > different use-cases (as long as they are presented on technical |
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> > grounds) and have been a pleasure to work with so far. We are getting |
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> > the joint experience of a lot of people/projects who have worked on |
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> > different init systems for a long time, I think this is one of the |
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> > most important "features" one could have." |
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> > |
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> > https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?pid=1149530#p1149530 |
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> You're missing the point entirely. Yes, the systemd people are |
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> working for the good of systemd. Nobody denies that. Your post does |
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> not address the fact that Kay and Lennart hold standalone udev in |
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> contempt, and treat it as a 2nd-class citizen. Note that Richard Yao is |
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> *NOT* forking systemd. He is forking udev, which addresses the issue of |
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> Kay's+Lennart's hostility to standalone udev on non-systemd setups. I, |
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> and a lot of other people, would like to use a sane standalone udev |
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> (from the Greg KH days) without systemd's dependancies/restrictions. |
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> That is the "target market" for a udev fork. |
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Heh, you really don't want udev from back in the "Greg KH days". |
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Seriously, if you want that, go use mdev, but even then, it has more |
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features than when I was still running the udev project. |
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I find it a bit funny that people are so stuck on using udev now, they |
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seem to have forgotten all of these same kinds of arguments way back |
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when udev first came out ("No one is going to force me to use udev!"). |
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Thanks to Kay's fine work, that is no longer an issue at all. Without |
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him, you wouldn't be arguing to keep using it so much. |
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And note, Kay and Lennart are _not_ treating udev as a second-class |
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citizen. It's required for systemd to work properly, and other distros |
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(like Ubuntu), use it for their systems to work properly in a |
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stand-alone manner. So breaking that will not happen, lots of people |
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will ensure that that does not happen, myself included. |
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thanks, |
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greg k-h |
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