Re: [gentoo-dev] preference concerns over "gentoo-ization" of packages

[foser]

On Sun, 2003-09-28 at 17:53, Paul de Vrieze wrote:
> When you log out of kde, and you started your system with kdm (kde display
> manager) you get presented a nice dialog with the options to log out, reboot,
> or shutdown. However if you started the system with any other displaymanager,
> such as gdm, you don't get the menu. It would be conceivable that we at a
> point in time added patches to kdm so that it does the same with gdm (which
> provides the capabilities as gnome offers it too, but only for gdm). This is
> nonstandard, but desirable behaviour for most users. In some cases people
> want standard behaviour, for that we have a useflag.

Why is this desirable behaviour? I think it's the login managers task to
have these permissions, not a users session. The gnome-session
shutdown/reboot options are nonfunctional for security reasons. I think
the defaults we supply are very sensible, i see no need why we should
alter this. If people like to see this different, it is up to them to
change their configurations accordingly.

> Another thing is the fact that a script of gentoo overwrites the kdm config's
> session variable everytime. This provides consistent and easy behaviour by
> making all installed sessions automatically available, but is not appropriate
> in all cases. There must be a place to turn this behaviour of. Either through
> a USE variable at run time, or through a central configuration variable.

I don't know why this happens, but if it's really a sensible default
there is no need to have a USE flag. Again the few users that need to
have this another way can easily adapt the ebuild to their needs. 

I can only describe this one way : you think like KDE-ers do. Thats why
it has this overabundance of settings which only works confusing. I know
for the tinkerers out there it's great, but for the general Joe HomeUser
or Jane OfficeAdmin it's pointless. The tinkerers can do the tinkering
themselves, we don't have to hold their hands.

- foser


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